»I FIGURED IT OUT! I understand - Neo chose the wrong door!«

Okay I was just thinking about Revolutions and Reloaded when it just hit me! Neo like his 5 predecessors chose the wrong door!

Let me explain:

The Architect gave Neo 2 choices; right door(source) & left door(matrix/Trinity). The Architect basically said that returning to the source would "reload" the Matrix, Zion would be destroyed and Neo would get to choose survivors to repopulate Zion. The Architect then stated that by returning to the Matrix would destroy both the Machines and the humans plugged in.

Here is where you see the flaw. If the Architect wanted Neo to return to the source (for his survival and all the machines). He could have told Neo that the right door led back to Trinity and the Left door was to the source.

You see, The Architect know's the Human mind... "Hope is your greatest strength and WEAKNESS." He knew that Neo like his 5 predecessors would choose to return to the Matrix for hope/love.

It is possible to believe that returning to the source would in fact lead the the machines destruction. Why would the Architect be waiting for Neo? Unless he is there to make sure Neo choose's the proper door. He is like the Devil trying to mislead Neo with truth/lies.

FACT: If the Architect was not there, Neo would have undoubtably gone to the source right? That was what he was there for - The Architect was an obstacle that swayed his judgment.

TRUTH: The Architect said Zion was destroyed 5 times before... and after Revolutions it was destroyed a 6th time. The Matrix was "rebooted" and the cycle beings again. The machines are still in control. The Architect said "They will free those who want to be free." That is exactly what was happening in the first movie. Those who wanted to wake up (with the help of the remaining Zionists) were let out.

FACT: When Neo woke up in M1, why didn't the Machine just kill him? The machine was acting upon the treaty that the previous "One" made just like Neo did... Neo was "freed/released" just like the machines promised "those who want to be freed - will be."

The remaining Zionists will rebuild Zion... after a hundred years etc. another "Neo" will be born again - the cycle will go on again... the machines will "kick over the ant hill" for a 7th time etc. etc.

Deus Ex wrote:

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TRUTH: The Architect said Zion was destroyed 5 times before... and after Revolutions it was destroyed a 6th time. The Matrix was "rebooted" and the cycle beings again. The machines are still in control. The Architect said "They will free those who want to be free." That is exactly what was happening in the first movie. Those who wanted to wake up (with the help of the remaining Zionists) were let out.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head here...
We did post regarding the double-meaning of Revolution and I think that it's definately cyclical....

You are right it is cyclical and at the end of M3 the "The Matrix" is rebooted and continues.

but....

I think that maybe we shouldn't get too hung up on the left door/right door thing - other than the fact it indicates a "choice" for neo.

The previous and subsequent matrix's may be totally different in design in many ways from the version in which the trilogy is set. They may differ every time depending upon the resultant "balance" between the architect and the oracle - remember the architects quote - "you played a very dangersous game" - meaning that the architect struggled to keep up with the direction the oracle "took" this version.

There may be a door choice like this in other matrix's but maybe not - maybe things are a little OR even a lot different - however, one thing would remain the same. The escalating probability of the anomoly would lead to the emergence of "the one" in some kind of form - turning over the system and kicking off the next cycle.

(One reason I like this theory is because there is infinite and justified scope here for "sequel trilogys" and I can't get enough!)

diemkai wrote:

(One reason I like this theory is because there is infinite and justified scope here for "sequel trilogys" and I can't get enough!)

This is where the W. Brothers profit genius shows - they've ended the series without a true "end". Thus, leaving a major opening for more sequels with new characters including the next (or 7th) "One".

Revolutions ends the chapter of Neo/Trinity/Morpheus, but the story continues....

Sorry, one little problem.

The Architect is not given to misdirection or dishonesty...

And it is definitely possible, yes, for a new series of movies with different characters... Hello, MechaMatrix!

I think ur theory is good, but it isnt true. It is all based upon ur belief that the architect can understand human emotions. That is wrong. If he could understand humans and their emotions, he wouldnt have needed the Oracle in the first place. I believe that the Oracle is the only nonhuman character in the trilogy that has any understanding of humans, their emotions, and most importantly, their CHOICES. That scene, the doors, and the Oracle, ARE ALL ABOUT CHOICE. And if there is one thing the architect doesnt understand, its choice. thats why he, just like this theory, was wrong. u had some good concepts tho

yanyanman2 wrote:

I think ur theory is good, but it isnt true. It is all based upon ur belief that the architect can understand human emotions.

My theory is not based upon the belief that the Architect can or cannont understand human emotions... My theory is based on the fact that the machines want to survive. The Architect knows what the previous 5 "one's" choices were - this he can use to his advantage. The Architect is there to make sure Neo takes the door or path that benefits the machines and thus their survival.

The "choice" is an illusion. The Architect is there to influence Neo's decision - and considering everything that has transpired - The Architect would want Neo's decision to benefit himself and the machines.

Maybe it didn't even matter which door Neo chose, both will result in the same situation: the machines are eventually in control. Neo was given a choice as to think he has control of his actions, and he was satisfied with that. What would happen if he didn't get a choice? Maybe he could destroy the architect.

[quote="Deus Ex"]

Here is where you see the flaw. If the Architect wanted Neo to return to the source (for his survival and all the machines). He could have told Neo that the right door led back to Trinity and the Left door was to the source.

[quote="Deus Ex"]Here is where you see the flaw. If the Architect wanted Neo to return to the source (for his survival and all the machines). He could have told Neo that the right door led back to Trinity and the Left door was to the source.


This is an interesting theory but i think that the Architect CANNOT lie. He is a program dedicated (as given in REVOLUTIONS) to balance any unbalanced equations and thus operating under strict rules, which do not allow him of improvisation of lying.

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TRUTH: The Architect said Zion was destroyed 5 times before... and after Revolutions it was destroyed a 6th time. The Matrix was "rebooted" and the cycle beings again. The machines are still in control. The Architect said "They will free those who want to be free." That is exactly what was happening in the first movie. Those who wanted to wake up (with the help of the remaining Zionists) were let out.

one problem: Zion wasn't destroyed a sixth time, if it was then Neo's quest would have been pointless, he was trying to save Zion without having to rebuild it, personally I think Neo made the right choice because the other door would mean the exact same thing would happen over and over, and those aren't really "good times", it has lots of suffering and death, and also even Neo did fail to save Zion after choosing the door he did, then the machines would face terms of hardship until a new source of power was found, so that'd be some form of compensation.

While Zion wasn't destroyed, it was severely crippled. Their dock was wasted, as were their hovercraft.

So they were as good as destroyed.

The thing is the offended tone that the Architect used in the end of Revolutions implied he can't use subtefuge.

I don't think he chose the wrong door, but its interesting when you think about it. All the people in the Martix were in danger of dying, Smith took them over....

KBK

It is not as good as destroyed. In the previous cycles, the machines NEEDED to have the inhabitants of Zion destroyed. ALL of them. They are the ones who know the truth, and they will know that the cycles have begun again. Note that NO ONE in Zion realizes this truth. Not Morpheus, not the elders. They all were descendents of the 23 released from the Matrix by the previous ONE, and therefore they all believe the previous ONE to be the only ONE.

There is no "right" or "wrong" door. There is a door to the source, and a door back to the Matrix/Trinity. Neo choose the door back to the Trinity.

I agree with the person who said that the architect can not lie. But if you think about it, did he? He said that if he choose the one door he could rebuild Zion. It would still be destroyed. If he chose the other door every person in the Matrix would die. This is the door he chose. And what happened? The system was rebooted. How could the people in the Matrix survive after the system was rebooted? Each of their memories would have to be erased. So maybe this is what happened. But if humans are needed for the machine's survival, where will they get humans? Zion? No. The same place they always get humans... the make them (in the fields).

WayneBruce wrote:

It is not as good as destroyed.

They had no hovercraft left, and all the manufacturing equipmwnt was destroyed.

How they going to pose a threat to the machines now?

KBK

the point of the original post was that Neo went through the wrong door. That Zion was still destroyed, and therefore Neo must have reloaded the Matrix.

My point and the point of a previous poster was that Zion was NOT destroyed. It may be as good as destroyed, but it was not completely. That is a huge difference. The Architect's original plan call for the Zionists to believe they were the first and only ones to be released from the Matrix. Even though they have very little technology left, the current Zionists are still alive, and therefore can pass on the story of what the Matrix plan, what the Architect's plan, really is. This they can pass on to the Next ONE so that the new ONE won't make the same mistake.

If we go by the original poster's hypothesis, this obviously cannot happen, and should not happen. Every last Zionist had to be killed in order for the plan to succeed, and for the 26 newly awakened humans to believe they were the only ones to escape.

that's what the threat is to the Matrix.

I think there is some confusion as to what happened.

Neo like his 5 predecessors chose the wrong door!

This is incorrect. Neo chose a different door than those before him. The Architect states that Neo is different because he loves one person hence he chose to save one person instead of the human race. The others chose the right door and saved 23 people.

and after Revolutions it was destroyed a 6th time.

Zion was not destroyed a 6th time. Neo stopped it in time. There are thousands of survivors vs 23 the previous 5 times.[/i]

I think there are too many holes in your argument to pursue this theory any further.

What I cannot understand is why all of Neo's predecessors clearly sold Zion out. They each chose to save 23 people instead of fighting to save everyone. Every one of them was given the same choice - what made Neo different from the rest of them? You're not going to believe that his love for Trinity was the thing that separated them. How could the other 'ones' have simply accepted that they would be responsible for the deaths of everyone save 23 people? Every one of them was told that they were there to save the humans, so it would seem a bit of a cop out to just give up and do what the Architect told him to do. I've looked for an answer and I cannot find it, so theories on this one are most welcome.

the machines army will always destroy Zion. that is the control that the architect has designed for balancing the anamoly. if you can't solve for an equation you either let it exist or you nullify it.

wouldn't a nullified set be the end?

yes. unless it was reset. and why must it be reset? because machines need a steady supply of power.

once the equation is nullified the equation begins again - the matrix, agents, zion and the anamoly are recreted.

the 5 preceding anamolies could not feel love as specifically as neo. they cared for the survival of the race - even though it meant that the race was to be enslaved.

wouldn't all this mean that the machines know the locationi of zion at all times?

YES. they do know. since zion cannot exist without the anamoly, and the anamoly cannot exist withough the matrix, and the matrix is needed by the machines to control humans, zion IS a controlled populace.

in fact, if zion is needed to support the matrix, that would make the machines partly responsible for the survival of its inhabitants (i.e. the life support machines in the engineering section of zion)

if its controlled, then why don't the machines just shutdown their life support systems - why all this elaborate digging and overkill army? they would...if zion didn't change the access codes to their mainframe.

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Agent Smith: Access codes to the Zion mainframe. Cypher: No. I told you I don't have them. I can get you the man that does.

wouldn't this also mean that Neo sold out his race for his woman? yes, but only in the context of the choice given by the architect. his path will still lead him to the source - but not before acomplishing something that his predecesors could not - creating a peace between man and machine.

- drumcode -

Since we all seem to agree that this time everything is happening in a different way, maybe, just maybe, the architect knew about Smith, and also knew that Neo (now the One) was the only that could stop him. Think about it, if Neo had choose the "left door" (not the "other left") the code would be reinserted into the Matrix all over again, but this time with a rogue program called Smith that had overtaken so mucho of the Matrix by now. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN! maybe there would not be a way to stop him anymore. That is why i believe Neo was misleaded, 'cause he was needed.
I am open to ideas tho

pjrose:

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You're not going to believe that his love for Trinity was the thing that separated them.

yes it was. check the thread I posted.

judging by the current response to my thread there are peeps who dont want to accept the matrix as a big love story, and would rather cook up flawed and convoluted therioes far from what the watchoski brothers ever intended.

it was the love. guarenteed.

yeah go watch spanish soap operas...

John Mirra wrote:

yeah go watch spanish soap operas...

youre 20 years old?

lol.

Deus Ex wrote:

Okay I was just thinking about Revolutions and Reloaded when it just hit me! Neo like his 5 predecessors chose the wrong door! Let me explain: The Architect gave Neo 2 choices; right door(source) & left door(matrix/Trinity). The Architect basically said that returning to the source would "reload" the Matrix, Zion would be destroyed and Neo would get to choose survivors to repopulate Zion. The Architect then stated that by returning to the Matrix would destroy both the Machines and the humans plugged in. Here is where you see the flaw. If the Architect wanted Neo to return to the source (for his survival and all the machines). He could have told Neo that the right door led back to Trinity and the Left door was to the source. You see, The Architect know's the Human mind... "Hope is your greatest strength and WEAKNESS." He knew that Neo like his 5 predecessors would choose to return to the Matrix for hope/love. It is possible to believe that returning to the source would in fact lead the the machines destruction. Why would the Architect be waiting for Neo? Unless he is there to make sure Neo choose's the proper door. He is like the Devil trying to mislead Neo with truth/lies. FACT: If the Architect was not there, Neo would have undoubtably gone to the source right? That was what he was there for - The Architect was an obstacle that swayed his judgment. TRUTH: The Architect said Zion was destroyed 5 times before... and after Revolutions it was destroyed a 6th time. The Matrix was "rebooted" and the cycle beings again. The machines are still in control. The Architect said "They will free those who want to be free." That is exactly what was happening in the first movie. Those who wanted to wake up (with the help of the remaining Zionists) were let out. MatrixFan00: Why would you think that Zion was necessarily destroyed? The film has left that part rather ambiguous, I would say. FACT: When Neo woke up in M1, why didn't the Machine just kill him? The machine was acting upon the treaty that the previous "One" made just like Neo did... Neo was "freed/released" just like the machines promised "those who want to be freed - will be." The remaining Zionists will rebuild Zion... after a hundred years etc. another "Neo" will be born again - the cycle will go on again... the machines will "kick over the ant hill" for a 7th time etc. etc.

Dan wrote:

judging by the current response to my thread there are peeps who dont want to accept the matrix as a big love story, and would rather cook up flawed and convoluted therioes far from what the watchoski brothers ever intended. it was the love. guarenteed.

I've said that since the very beginning, it is love that moves thing people