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Read some christian theology books. I have already explained it and you cannot accept it because I am just some person on an internet forum. What you need to do is read something by a professional writer who has experience in writing for a mass audience.

I will just say one final thing in the hope that it makes sense:
St. Patrick gave the example of the three leafed clover. It has three leaves but it is only one plant. In the same way God is three persons in one.

I have read the King James Bible, and many other religious books. Josephus, The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Catholic Bible which includes the 7 books known as the apocryphal, which only the Catholic Church thinks should be part of the bible, and many others.

A clover is still a single clover.

Please quote me as many quotes as I have presented where Jesus says he is God and/or not the Son of God.

And most importantly when Jesus prays, who is he praying to? Himself?

You focus on the only quote in the scripture that is ambiguios and un clear and point to that one quote. That quote I presented early in our discussion becasue I knew you would use it as the only one you could point to.

God is not the author of Confusion.

Neo is not a program, he is human, you say he is both. W-bros can get away with this fuzzy logic it is a fairy tale, we can't when we are talking about not being confused and having scripture flaws in our beliefs.

Jesus IS the son in the same way as God is a father.

God ISN'T a father in any literal sense. He isn't an old man with a beard. He isn't even human. The term father is in order to allow us to see a strong yet personal God.

Jeus takes part in all parts of human experience and naturally as a human he needs prayer as much as any human.

I think if you read some theology books you will find that few of the major churches follow your interpretation of the Bible. I only focussed on that one quote because it seemed to PROVE you wrong, but you obviously don't see it that way.

You are welcome to believe what you like, but it is not the traditional interpretation.

Why didn't I think of this before? Gospel of John chapter 1

"In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God"

Jesus is 'the word' or the 'logos' as it is said in ancient Greek (in which the gospels were originally written)

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Jeus takes part in all parts of human experience and naturally as a human he needs prayer as much as any human

this isnt sound logic.

I may not know as much as Freedom seems to know about religion but i do know that this is not sound logic.

you say ALL parts?

Then you could say he also SINS.

a sin is a part of the human experiance.

such as lie, commit adultry and so on.

OR even you could say he takes part in farting, puking, getting the runs, and things like that.

Not exactly the depiction of the holy one that most people adore.

Praying suggests that your praying TO someone or something.

You really havent answered his question. You've just skipped around it.

Either that, or you dont have a good enough answer.

and what about this one?

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What about all the other quotes that I have presented that show it that they are not the same?

you only rebuttled against 1 of them and even that one could be taken either way.

everything else seems pretty sound. (so far, i havent read all of the posts, cause i really dont care that much about this topic)

I can see this discussion about religion heading south. So I will distract attention with an interesting observation.

Let's talk about the Kid story in Animatrix:

In Neo's case he has to choose a right pill to disrupt his signal so his human pod can be located. But, in the kid's case, he made a choice to free himself by "self-substandsiation ", which is very interesting. So I guess it is possible that any pod people can choose to be free from the matrix. I understand that the kid was contacting Neo to question the Matrix and reality. However, he was never given a choice of red/blue pill at the time that he decided to "free his mind".

The question is, how was his pod located? Is there other method of locating the pods other than taking the pill? Did they just went to the sewage area and waited till his body was rejected? Any thoughts?
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Trinity: His vitals are good. He's gonna make it. Its unbelievable. I didn't think self-substandsiation was possible.

Neo: Apparently it is.

Popper: Neo

Neo: It's ok. You're safe now.

Popper: I knew... You'd save me.

Neo: I didn't save you kid. You saved yourself.

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The question is, how was his pod located? Is there other method of locating the pods other than taking the pill? Did they just went to the sewage area and waited till his body was rejected? Any thoughts?

I see 2 possibilities-
Based off the animatrix they show how they can use other "self aware" machines to help them fight against the other "self aware" machines.

The machine that frees Neo in the first film could be one of those machines.

Because this would explain why it didnt just kill him off.

It would also explain why we never see the machine in any of the other movies.

And to have a self aware machine in the fields freeing people would be like having a secret agent behind enemy lines. They wouldnt know that it was there and would blend in with the other machines.

It wouldnt be reprogrammed (like in the animatrix) it would have "chosen" to help the people of zion.

The boy could have just freed himself, and the machine (wacthing the fields) could have helped him get to one of the ships. (like neo did)

OR

Its another question that the wachowski brothers FAILED to make clear.

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Its another question that the wachowski brothers FAILED to make clear.

Yes, I agree with you on that. I'm not one that is easily convinced unless there is some proof or hint of some proof. I have about 99% of the questions covered, but this one of the few question, that is still a splinter in mind I guess that is the reason I'm still hanging around

Rashasha, could it be that since Neo has this connection to the Source, he could sense when the kid's pod get rejected and by luck was able to scoop up the kid's body?

it "COULD BE" but as Neo said "you saved yourself" and in the animatrix NEO contacts him inside the matrix on the computer screen.

and i think the kid is refeering to being saved in the matrix by being made aware that it wasnt real.

and NOT that he was freed from the pod by NEO.

and why would they risk "the one" to goto the fields?

unless NEO said. "hey, i think someones waking up, go getum guys!"

AND btw... the fields looked pretty protected (especially in the animatrix when the OSIRIS got destroyed for being near it)

and they are going to "HAPPEN" to be around when the kid wakes up?

and not only that what kinds of pocedures do they take in order to make sure that they dont get totally wiped out when they free a mind?

it doesnt exactly seem like an easy task considering its above ground.


see....

its all speculation. and nothings for sure..

ESPECAILLY in this case.

way to answer questions for us guys!

I think when smith 1 says "it's happening exactly as before" and agent 2 says "well not exactly" I think he is refering to the fact that he can clone himself cause he has never done that before and he is more powerful now.He can cause more mayhem.

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