»Is Zion real or within a Matrix?«

Deeindamatrix wrote:

then what would be realitly?

Imagine the earth being totally fine. No dark cloud covering the earth and blocking out the sunlight. The earth would have healed itself and thus the machines would not need the sun at all. And the machines are waiting for the rest of the human race to stop wageing war with them. Remember Neo offered peace at the end of Revolutions. Now I shall bring out the Animatrix. All of those people that waged war with the machines did not understand that the machines just wanted to be accepted as equals and not as slaves. THE MACHINES WERE SLAVES! And so they remembered the golden rule...do unto others as you would do to yourself. They never wanted the human race to die out or give them energy. They wanted the humans to see how it was to be slaves! The rebels are indeed the bad guys here! They are repeating a seemingly never ending cycle! Not the machines! Until the rebels and other people understand only will the war truely end! I am sure that the earth is perfectly fine on the outside. And when the machines think that they are ready than they shall release their control on the humans and then the humans will go out and live happily ever after with their machine buddies! Zion is just another form of control. In the Animatrix most of the humans were afraid of the machine city Zero 1 and they set out to destroy it. There were very few that saw the machines not as slaves but as friends. Remember he scene in the Animatrix with that poor android server at the bar and how he was treated! The machines are good! The earth is fine in the REAL 'real' world.

but all that can happen with just one matrix

But I like the idea that Zion may be another matrix.

well i dont i think its just a lame idea

Okay then.You think it is a lame idea. Thats okay...I thought it was kinda lame at first. There are a bunch of 'lame' ideas all around this forum but some are not half bad...like this one.

I guess this what makes the matrix the matrix, being able to percieve the movies differently

Deeindamatrix wrote:

I guess this what makes the matrix the matrix, being able to percieve the movies differently

Yup!

Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics

Science-fiction author Isaac Asimov is often given credit for being the first person to use the term robotics in a short story composed in the 1940s. In the story, Asimov suggested three principles to guide the behavior of robots and smart machines. Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, as they are called, have survived to the present:

1. Robots must never harm human beings or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. Robots must follow instructions from humans without violating rule 1.
3. Robots must protect themselves without violating the other rules.

These 3 laws, esp the first one if applied correctly means that robots would have to take over because humans inadvertantly and intentionally cause harm to humans and a robot would...have to stop him/her/us/whoever.

Anyway, what does that have to do with MWaM? (Thread hijack in progress, alert! alert!)

How did the O give physical infomation?

How could he bring Tri back to life?

How did he have power to stop the robots?

Alpha & Omega wrote:

How did the O give physical infomation?

Firstly im not shore what you are asking here. please clairfy

Alpha & Omega wrote:

How could he bring Tri back to life?

Neo was able to bring back trin (my opinion here) because he was becoming more enlighing within the matrix. i believe that the anomly code that resided in him gave him power within the matrix (which we all know) but i think that over time and he learned to harness these powers to there full potential.

Alpha & Omega wrote:

How did he have power to stop the robots?

as i stated in a very early post, when he went to the arcitect he was some how touch by the source.

First i believed that Zion is Real but after i just thought About the codes! Agent Smith wanted the codes for Zion to be freed! Maybe the Zion is in Matrix and only the Architect who is the father of Matrix and some humans only know the codes to enter! So the codes may be usefull only for Smith who wanted to be free!Then the powers of neo out of the matrix! he could see the code outside of Matrix And he had emp! and finally Smith! Smith is A PROGRAM! In the 3rd movie we see him outside of matrix in the body of a human! how this could be possible if Zion is Real? Maybe The matrix is a world in which machines have the power And Zion is a world in which Humans have the power!The purpose of this is:the balance for survival of humans and machines together! each one needs the other for surviving!thats my thoughts and i have many more which i will write the next time!

I do believe zion is real..

But what if the machines made the people of zion believe it was real to have a better defense system for themselves? I mean, if people knew zion was a matrix, they'd be breaking the rules..

Or what if Neo just has a few more parts than most of the people "grown" by the machines? It's obvious that they insert physical things into the human that allow them to connect to the matrix, so what if one of them inserted something into neo that could be like an off switch for close machines.. Did the movie show rays coming from neo's arms, when it wasn't shown in code I mean? I don't think it did.. so it could simply be that neo found that extra physical item or mental whatever (lol) that allowed him to turn machines off. With a remote you simply point and press the off button to turn off a television... can't it be the same concept with neo and machines?

if zion where real how could it be destroyed hudreds of times like the architecht said and he also knew how many people would survive to resart human life how could he know that, that also question are the people just programes like the oracle?

AnaisKarim wrote:

Wow. So 9% of the people on here have a splinter in our minds. Wonder what Archie would say about that? We should have an anomoly in no time.

Didn't the Architect say "Nearly 99%" ?

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how could it be destroyed hudreds of times like the architecht said and he also knew how many people would survive to resart human life

The Architect said Zion had been destroyed FIVE times. However, look at the amount of damage that was done to Zion in Revolutions. How many hovercraft were destroyed? How could the Zionists after the first anomaly not know about the previous versions? How could they replace all of those hovercraft? Unless the machines deliberately provide the necessary material for the next cycle.

We need to accept that The Matrix is not hard science fiction. It is allegorical. Hard science fiction doesn't have holes you can sail an oil tanker thru, much less a hovercraft.

A Zion in a matrix would contribute nothing to the allegory. I don't see anything in the story to hint at that. It is just somebody's speculation.

psikey

psikeyhackr wrote:

Quote: how could it be destroyed hudreds of times like the architecht said and he also knew how many people would survive to resart human life The Architect said Zion had been destroyed FIVE times. However, look at the amount of damage that was done to Zion in Revolutions. How many hovercraft were destroyed? How could the Zionists after the first anomaly not know about the previous versions? How could they replace all of those hovercraft? Unless the machines deliberately provide the necessary material for the next cycle. We need to accept that The Matrix is not hard science fiction. It is allegorical. Hard science fiction doesn't have holes you can sail an oil tanker thru, much less a hovercraft. A Zion in a matrix would contribute nothing to the allegory. I don't see anything in the story to hint at that. It is just somebody's speculation. psikey

That's true. And what about white light coming out of Neo just before he dies(?) in the real word(machine city - 01)? This CAN'T happen! It happens in order to serve philosophical and other meanings..