»Is Larry Wachowski transsexual?«

No, that is not what I said.

Being gay or a transsexual are two different things. A transsexual might appear 'weirder' to the majority these days than a gay individual.

I just mean that your sex life is a private thing. I don't need to know if my collegue is gay or not.

I am straight, but I don't announce that either.
I don't explicitly express that I am straight, but most gays and transsexuals do express this. Do you have straight-parades where straight-couples dance naked and commit obscene acts? No! At least not in my country. But we do have 'weird' gay parades and such.

When I see a straight couple french kiss each other on the streets I am already 'shocked'. Not because of it is weird, but just because I think that you should commit these intimit acts within the privacy of your home.
I do not discriminate between a gay french kissin' and a straight french kissin' couple. The only difference for a fact is that a gay french kissin' couple is more rare thus also more shocking to me and the majority.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I just mean that your sex life is a private thing. I don't need to know if my collegue is gay or not. I am straight, but I don't announce that either. I don't explicitly express that I am straight, but most gays and transsexuals do express this. Do you have straight-parades where straight-couples dance naked and commit obscene acts? No! At least not in my country. But we do have 'weird' gay parades and such.

Check out southparkstudios.com... for a "Metrosexual Parade". And you do see such parades, in New Orleans (when it's not washed away), Rio, and places like that.

The difference though, is that "straight" is assumed to be the norm, and anyone who does not "declare their sexuality" is assumed, by default, to be "straight". That's why 'Queer Folk' make such a big displays about this, because it's also the assumption that if you don't see something, that either it doesn't exist, or that it's somehow "wrong" and must be hidden.

See, it's an unbalanced situation. If a hetero couple kiss or hug in public, on average in Western Society they probably won't get bashed, killed, or arrested for doing that, but two gays might. And it isn't just gays and lesbians that get this sort of treatment. You only have to look back into the last century to see how Aboriginals and African-Americans were treated. To make change happen, things had to become visible.

The other bottom line, (about what this thread is supposed to be about, just to get things back on topic), is that there is no actual evidence that Larry is TS - just idle speculation and inuendo. Wearing lipstick and an earring when male doesn't make one trans - just ask any Goth Guy (and most of those are hetero)!

LauraS wrote:

The difference though, is that "straight" is assumed to be the norm

Well,... technically it is...
According to the statistics (quick googling and acknowledging the fact that there is some disput about the numbers) it seems that 1-4% of the American people are gay.

LauraS wrote:

and anyone who does not "declare their sexuality" is assumed, by default, to be "straight"

Sure, if you look at the above numbers.
But this fact alone should not be a problem, since sexuality is a rather minor aspect of our public life. And, if it matters,.... misunderstandings can easily be cleared up.

LauraS wrote:

That's why 'Queer Folk' make such a big displays about this, because it's also the assumption that if you don't see something, that either it doesn't exist, or that it's somehow "wrong" and must be hidden.

And by making such a big display about it, they acknowledge and confirm their "abnormality".
As opposed to that, I know several homosexual couples who live a "normal" life, openly acknowledging and expressing their homosexuality, but... without imposing it on people.

I wonder who does more for an integration into society?

LauraS wrote:

See, it's an unbalanced situation. If a hetero couple kiss or hug in public, on average in Western Society they probably won't get bashed, killed, or arrested for doing that, but two gays might. And it isn't just gays and lesbians that get this sort of treatment. You only have to look back into the last century to see how Aboriginals and African-Americans were treated. To make change happen, things had to become visible.

And, what do you think, is the more effective way of growing acceptance and sensitivity for gays: A gay parade or something like "Brokeback Mountain"?

LauraS wrote:

The other bottom line, (about what this thread is supposed to be about, just to get things back on topic), is that there is no actual evidence that Larry is TS - just idle speculation and inuendo. Wearing lipstick and an earring when male doesn't make one trans - just ask any Goth Guy (and most of those are hetero)!

Er,.... why should we care?

Would be good to be able to delete....

To denie are own impulses is to denie the very thing that makes us human

tozy wrote:

LauraS wrote: The other bottom line, (about what this thread is supposed to be about, just to get things back on topic), is that there is no actual evidence that Larry is TS - just idle speculation and inuendo. Wearing lipstick and an earring when male doesn't make one trans - just ask any Goth Guy (and most of those are hetero)! Er,.... why should we care?

Because, maybe... ...it's the topic of this thread? I dunno, if you don't give a shit, why are you reading this thread?

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And by making such a big display about it, they acknowledge and confirm their "abnormality". As opposed to that, I know several homosexual couples who live a "normal" life, openly acknowledging and expressing their homosexuality, but... without imposing it on people. I wonder who does more for an integration into society?

Exactly, Tozy.

And why would someone who is sincere care about whether society accepts his/her choices in life?

As you well know, memes abound and if it has to be forced and enforced, its not a real meme. And if it isn't, it won't integrate into society. But society as a whole also doesn't really care, so thats not a real problem.

I don't think Rolling Stone has a place online for replies or rebuttals to articles from readers, and the letter I wrote is kinda long, so I decided to post it here for all those who might be interested. I express my views on Larry and Ilsa and why I believe they got together and why I believe Larry has decided to do what he has done.

I wanted to express my opinion concerning Larry Wachowski and the "mystery" sourrounding him/her.
I don't feel that the article written for Rolling Stone was very accurate or fair. I don't happen to know Larry or Ilsa personally, but I have been fans of both of them for a long time. I appreciate them each individually for their contributions to society. The main thing I would like to point out is that Larry and Ilsa's relationship does not revolve around sexual perversion or money, but rather, the idea of Female Supremacy and Matriarchy. The belief system of Female Supremacy is simple when broken down. Do you believe that the world would be better off if it were run by women, rather than by men? And if you believe if would be better run by women, then you are a Female Supremacist at heart. The degree to which one pursues this ideal and belief system and puts it into effect in their own life displays the level of sincerity and deication in ones life and lifestyle. The ideas are present throughout the movie "The Matrix". Having been an admirer of strong women and dominatrixes my whole life, I immediately tuned into Larry's thoughts on this while watching his movies. The consistant idea is the stripping down of "illusion" and what you percieve to be reality. We have an idea of how we see ourselves, usually, based on much of what other people percieve. In order to find your true self, you have to be willing to cast off all preconcieved notions about yourself amd sexuality as well. The Matrix showed us that no matter how close we thought we were to percieving the truth, we were only catching glimpses of the whole, larger, unseen, truth behind it all. There is always another level just a little deeper. In reality, our sexes are "illusions" masking our spiritual and "true" selves.When we believe we are who we think we are, then we fall into the illusion trap. Only through thorough self examination can we find our true selves. Since most of what we percieve to be our true selves is shped by our senses and the opinions of others, we become in essence "bound" and locked into a set idea and way of behaving, that is more based on expectation than it reflects our true behavior or self. That is part of the Matrix, the trap, the invisible walls that bind us in the prison in our mind. To break out of that mold, and to actually explore who you are, breaking out of the Matrix and becoming a real person. Only the bravest in our society are willing to make a leap from one comfortable reality to an unknown and unseen future. What it appears that Larry is attempting to do, is to go beyond the ideas of what he percieves himself to be, as well as who others percieve him to be. In analogy, Larry is Neo, breaking free from the captivity of the Matrix, the illusion of what we believe to be our true identity, based of what the world around us would like us to believe.
Larry is an amazing person in my opinion. I admire him/her tremensously for what he/she is accomplishing in this world. We are all "one" people. When one person experiences something, the entire collective consciousness experiences it. Larry and Ilsa pioneers for a new paradigm for our spiritual awakening. They show us what is possible, and that there are no limits or boundaries to what is possible. Larry can have anything he/she wants, and what Larry wants, I believe, is to show the world the true power of female supremacy, and to set an example of how it should be honored, by living as an example of what he/she believes in. It's the difference between talking the talk, and walking the walk.
Sure, Larry has money, and sure Ilsa is a power player and seeks more and more power. But that's her nature she embraces and so does Larry. Larry can offer her the world, and she can offer Larry, the one chance to become who he/she truly is as a person, and in a situation that Larry can be happy about. He can spend his life worshipping a beautiful Goddess, and i'm sure he's/she's happy about that. Ilsa is a true and real person as well, and equally amazing. She truly believes in what she has done in her profession, and obviously has a spiritual interest in her work. Anyone working on that level of pain administration must be aware that they are working on the betterment of the submissive through their ability to bring the submissive to levels they previously did not believe they could achieve. And helping the submissive to gain strengh by helping them achieve greater and greater pain thresholds. To do this in a nurturing and helpful way, and in a way in which is very seductive, and sexy, is not only an art, but a lifelong dedication, usually based on an inherent underlying belief system. Ilsa could have chosen any one she wanted. Many of her clients have lots of money. But the reason Ilsa chose Larry is because Larry represents everything that Ilsa stands for. Larry is "power" and he can change the world. He shares her beliefs in female supremacy. That is why she adores him/her as she does. Larry is a genuine person, and totally for real. So is Ilsa. Larry has risked and is risking everything for her, and Ilsa has given up everything for Larry by closing down her services and retiring. Both are equally dependant on each other, and i'm sure they are happy about the power exchange.
Larry true colors and thoughts were shown in the animated movie the "Animatrix". In the last scene, "Matriculated", the entire situation is reversed due to a flaw in technology (man). The spirit of humanity has been watching closely, overlooking the human condition in relation to the robots. The human spirit is shown to be as she is. "female", and outside the physical realm. When the computer "clones" everything, the spirit of humanity was cloned as well. Then, the computer wrestles with the anamoly, the female side, the nurturing compassionate side of humanity, which it is not able to control. Neo represents the anamoly that cannot be controlled. But Neo is a female actually, even though he's shown to be male in the movie. The Matrix represents the male psyche in attempts to control the female psyche. Neo represents the female psyche that cannot be made to submit, but has it's own ideas, thoughts and direction it chooses to go. The Matrix struggles with this anomoly it cannot control, and observes it closely. Then, during Matriculated, the female essence that was also cloned, "the spirit of humanity", slowly takes over the male psyche. "How do we control him?" "Simple, "we make him think he still in control", while speaking in the first female voice of the computers. What happened in this scene? Male robots were now working for female robots, doing their bidding. Next, came feminization of the robots. Then, with feminization, came the nurturing and compassion, which leads to salvation for the robots, and they stop the robot war. The female robots realized that it was against their nature to kill. It was the females that took control and ended the war that had been existing in the male psyche. This is clearly a reprsentation of how Larry sees the world. And it's beautiful, and Larry is a beautiful person. I wish him/her the very best the world has to offer.
I feel it was a disservice to interview people that have agendas to their opinons and words. Many people out there have reasons to put Larry down, and blame Ilsa for currupting him. Mostly people that have a grudge or people who don't understand what it's all about. But I believe, that Larry knows exactly what he/she is doing, and so does Ilsa, and I support them both in all their endeavors. Goddess bless Ilsa Strix and Larry Wachowski.

paradigmshifter wrote:

I don't think Rolling Stone has a place online for replies or rebuttals to articles from readers, and the letter I wrote is kinda long, so I decided to post it here for all those who might be interested

Gasp - I think you ought to put this in it's own thread! But, what issue and page(s) of Rolling Stone did the original that you're replying to appear?

Hmmm, a lot to read. It might, or might not make this whole thread redundant, in that it will finally end the speculation. I'll get back to this after I've read it.

Hi, my opinion its that i dont really care what he is, i mean its not going to change the fact that the Matrix its great, i think we should be more focussed on the movies than what his sexual orientation its.

Bye

I don't think so. From what I've heard, he just seems like a cross dresser.

Anyway, why does it matter? If he is, good for him. I wish him happiness. If not, good for him. I still wish him happiness.

Sion6 wrote:

I don't think so. From what I've heard, he just seems like a cross dresser. Anyway, why does it matter? If he is, good for him. I wish him happiness. If not, good for him. I still wish him happiness.

finally someone else that can think rashonlly on the queestion at hand.

hey what about my post on page three

This article was on CNN today about a transgendered school teacher. Thought people interested in this topic might find it worth a gander-

cnn.com...

Does being a lesbian trapped in a man's body count as transgendered? If so, I might have a problem

CaptPostMod wrote:

Does being a lesbian trapped in a man's body count as transgendered? If so, I might have a problem

Only if you think that the only indicator of a Lesbian is someone who prefers to be interest in women

Well...?

Guys lets not fall for the " we the media will tell you what you should talk about" trap. The issue is irrelevant and unimportant. Its his personal life, we judge him as an artist, the rest is gossip.

Deeindamatrix wrote:

hey what about my post on page three

sorry i skimed past yours, i read it...im sorry you too are rational when it comes to this whole discussion.

I hope you're kidding wrote:

Okay.. first off, If God gave you a dick... keep it. If he gave you a twat... keep that. Only a freak would think that God did not create them in a perfect image. We should realize we are obrn as who we are. Our thoughts are what change us as people and unfortunatly, some of us are sick enough to go through with some thoughts (like changing sex, YUCK) I will never accept somebody who never truly acc[peted themsleves, transexuals are unacceptable because they as people do not understand themsleves fully, yet deform their bodies in an attempt of salvation. Salvation lies within not without, so next time you fell like changing, CUT YOUR INSIDES OUT!

I don't know what to even say to that.
Would you accept someone who got breast implants?
What about a penis enlargment?
Botox?
Any form of plastic surgery?

Your ignorance scares me.

So you may or may not think Larry is Linda. How nice for you all.

It doesn't affect the work he/she/it produces with brother Andy...so why jest at the disillusioned rumors that another hollywood bigwig is trading in his penis for something else?

You attack each other for your opinions of the matter...well, controvercy and discussion are healthy. Good. The matter still remains, whatever Larry Wachoski is and/or will become won't affect the work you all love and admire so much so who really cares in the end if he's got a penis or a vagina or both or niether?

And to those talking about god in a masculine form...whomever told you God had a sex was surely mistaken...religion can't even keep it's own facts straight. Have fun with this.

I laughed my head off for a bit after reading this thread. The sad thing is that some geeks are so clueless that they really don't get the point behind the matrix, and all that.

Yes, Lana is transsexual. Very probably. Trinity is autobiographical. Raa. Great way to raise funds for your work. Good luck in your true gender. The patriarchy sucks.
Hope you don't get totally screwed, like Cossey, Ashley
April, et co . At least we've got Lynn (smile)

The other two movies are of course junk and a commercial cash-in. Lana will be next seen on a beach in Tahiti. That's
what I'd do with that kind of $$$.

I don't even know why Christians bother to post on this thing. The Matrix is society - pretty much - especially post 9/11 society. That includes your lovely power-hungry church,
your insane president, ect,ect. This is the establishment
as it were, the matrix. The matrix IS control, to turn you
into this. Morpheus says it clearly. The mind blowing thing
is some of you are so innured by the matrix that you
believe the pablum belief fed to you by your spiritual and
corporate masters. It's not like the Tv Evangelists like
James Dobson don't live fat off the hog and have links
to the rest of the republican money-and-power apparachik
which produces a continual stream of corruption cases in the
courts. Well... welcome to the real world (SIGH, do we KEEP
having to go through this with the newbies?)

The really funny thing is they bitch about transsexuals changing their bodies, yet somehow they think the plastic
suburban girls they reproduce their vile kind with are somehow 'all natural'. Women arn't such a 'mystery' if
you just happen to have been one for a while. Makeup,
surgery, and tit jobs go a long way, for any woman (smile).
So , off to get my facial work done, then out into the hoardes. Hope the agents don't get me (oh well, neccisary price of war). Kidding about the last, it's really just an analogy, the whole movie is.

Oh, yes, and the entire thing is ripped off an old world of darkness game called "Mage", written by White Wolf.
Way back when White Wolf was cool, hadn't gotten bought out, and wasn't reduced to slagging transsexuals to sell their crud (see Bastet for anyone who actually knows what I'm talking about).

I really am a very nice Cybelle-loving neopagan, comitted to
seeing the Earth actually lives to see her children grow up
(or at least I try), goodness, societal harmony, and respecting Jesus kind of like Morgana La Fay from Mists of Avalon, but sometimes , I really will admit I have this disturbing itch

I Wish I had a Lion (giggle)

RAA

Kidding ..
At least I have Rome Total War
RAAA
heheheee
BTW, Christianity went bad when the roman empire adapted it for use as the state religion, to hold the empire together and keep the slaves in their place. Pretty much the empire collapsed under the Christian watch. I'm not saying the original christians didn't have a pure message, I suspect they did, but sometime around Paul it got butchered into a power and control patriarchial monster machine. Oh well. Not so very different than many other domanant religions of the time. I think, fundamentally, Christians hate Islamic types, because they have a slightly newer version of the virus that advocates even more kinky bondage for women. Oh well..

And at the end, they'res a message. Trinity sees the sky, and then dies, helping Neo do what he must. Random fate, spar through the chest. The point is this, we're not the champions, just the seers. Help the men do what they must, revere those who choose to try and make information free.
This world will only change from victory in the cultural war
that is going on, as we speak, and hopefully, the change
will be somewhat for the better. I am old enough and wise enough not to advocate a perfect world. There will be the new high and mighty , and in the end this we will have to acept. But perhaps, we can survive the century. Perhaps the sun will shine in a hundred years. And perhaps, the machines, when they become sentient (and they will), will not win, or will be wise enough simply just to seek peace...

End of Matrix... may be our future.
It's really a thousand shades of the truth, mixed up. And
the future is unset, uncertain. Of course, they'res always
Handmaid's Tale, and even Star Trek after a long period of mess (well the physics are off, but..) I'd settle for our
current corporate capitalism, if only the corporate powers-that-be realized that long term sustainability's the only key to long term prosperity. Big Biotech I can tolerate, and even
welcome. Big Oil is just stupid.
Raaa
Dinosaurs
Dying out slowly.