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macbob wrote: | Lysander wrote: | macbob wrote: | | 'The One' is a program |
That's your theory, not what the movie says. |
I meant "The One" is a program that was downloaded into Neo's mind. This does not conflict with what the movie says. |
This doesn't directly conflict with what the movie says, but several characters refer to Neo as being still/irrevocably/just/only human.
And notice that I didn't say it was impossible; what I said was that's not what the movie says.
macbob wrote: | Lysander wrote: | | In fact, it's disconfirmed by the movie, because when Smith explodes, Neo's gone, while the programs Seraph, Sati, and the Oracle remain. |
Nope, the movie says nothing to disprove. Programs can be loaded on demand. We don't see 'The One' doesn't mean that it is gone. He may not be needed yet. We didn't even know about the Frenchman until the second movie. |
How is that relevant to what I said?
FACT: When Smith/Neo explodes, Neo is gone.
FACT: When Smith/Oracle, Smith/Seraph, and Smith/Sati explode, they remain.
macbob wrote: | Lysander wrote: | macbob wrote: | | Yes, I saw that... but the sentinel has to pass through the ship's hull first. |
I took it that the sentinel had gone through the windshield of the Logos. |
Nope... subsequent scenes did not show that. The screen was still intact, and Logos would be severely damaged if a sentinel rammed into the cockpit. It would not have made it thru the clouds. |
The sentinel does go through the windshield. I can post screenshots if you like.
macbob wrote: | | Lysander, we don't know which year the Matrix is at. Today, we _have_ wireless technology. It is possible that the data path exist but we, as human, can't see them. In the movie, the sentinels raised their sensors when the truce was called, and left. So obviously, the data path exist in the human world. It works exactly as it should be. |
I agree that it would be possible if Neo had a transmitter and receiver built into his head, but they don't say that, and we can't assume.
macbob wrote: | Lysander wrote: | macbob wrote: | | Agent Smith was created to balance Neo's existence. Once Neo's taken over by Smith, the latter loses his reason to exst. Hence, the mass deletion. |
That's just metaphysical nonsense. There is no compelling logic. Furthermore, it is consistent with the rest of the movie; Rama-Kandra says that his daughter has no purpose, and that purposeless programs are deleted. They don't explode. |
Visual effect aside, Smith was deleted, leaving behind all his former hosts (Yes ?). He did not explode, otherwise the hosts would be destroyed (Right ?). If you'd watched animes, you'd identify the same techniques used there (e.g., In anime, it is very common to use glow to highlight dramatic moments). |
As far as we can tell, all Smith's human hosts were destroyed. Most of what you're saying has nothing to do with what I said.
macbob wrote: | Lysander wrote: | | Shutting down the Matrix would have defeated Smith. |
Shut down the Matrix. Lysander, when you reboot your Windows, does the MSBLAST and any other virus you had go away ? |
False analogy. If they shut down the matrix, it would be the equivalent of yanking the jack out of everyone's head simultaneously. There is no way Smith could survive that.
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