»Who built Zion?«

m4jor_p41n wrote:

The last Matrix that we know from the movie is based on the year "1999" . The year that human was at the peak of their civilization. So what that means is this last version of the Matrix is depicts the year 1999. Nothing more , nothing less.

Smith says that the Matrix is based on the end of the 20th century, and the movie starts in 1998. I would say that it's reset every 20-50 years.

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Smith says that the Matrix is based on the end of the 20th century, and the movie starts in 1998. I would say that it's reset every 20-50 years.

It is possible that Smith was describing the previous Matrix.

Keep in mind also, the Architect/machine has rebuilt the previous 5 matirix based on different periods in human civilization and it was random ( no pattern). All we know for certain is the first Matrix was suppose to be perfect world (utopia) but they were wrong and had to be rebuilt.

So each time they've rebuilt the Matrix, is was different years, it was depicted or based on different eras in human civilization . Another word, they just keep doing trial and error, based on the history of what machine had tried, what work and what didn't. Remember, the Machines' goal is to build a perfect Matrix world where there are no anomolies or flaws so human would never want to rebel or leave and therefore keep being slave to machine by providing power for the machines. But we all know that there is no such thing as "perfect".

Another known fact is the last Matrix which we saw from the movie is based on the year 1999, because Morpheous told us so.

We can't say for certain that it resets every 20-50 years, there is no proof of that.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

It is possible that Smith was describing the previous Matrix.

He clearly describes the matrix as being based on the peak of human civilization.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Keep in mind also, the Architect/machine has rebuilt the previous 5 matirix based on different periods in human civilization and it was random ( no pattern).

Where did you hear that?

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Another known fact is the last Matrix which we saw from the movie is based on the year 1999, because Morpheous told us so.

Yes, but it actually starts in 1998, so we know it's not always 1999.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

We can't say for certain that it resets every 20-50 years, there is no proof of that.

Of course not. But it would be a stretch to have both 1900 and 1999 as being in the same peak.

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m4jor_p41n wrote: Keep in mind also, the Architect/machine has rebuilt the previous 5 matirix based on different periods in human civilization and it was random ( no pattern). Where did you hear that

Matrix Reloaded transcript:
Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime, a triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps, a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle.
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"based on your history"= based on human history, not based on Neo' (the one) history

In this scene:
Architect said "The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature" Also during the dialogue, the many monitors in the background flashes different eras in human civilization. Therefore, combine with his above dialogue, I interpret his message as he has tried each design/version of the Matrix based on different eras of human civilization which he think would be perfect. You have to also look at the visual cues on the monitor and diagolue to interpret this scene correctly in order to understand the message. You can't interpret based on the dialogue alone.

Example of why we must combine and visual cues and dialogue in order to understand the "real" message:
If I say " Mr. Bush is a great president"

You can't interpret my message above as "Mr Bush is a great president" , since I've added some visual cues to the end to contradict that. Therefore , if you combine my visual cues and statement, you would interpret it as I was being sarcastic and mr. bush actually sucks

What I meant when I said "the architect redesign the matrix in random" is that , is that he did it based on trial and error. Based on the history of what cause the failure of the previous Matrix, the architect would try to learn from that to improve on the next design. Since it's based on trial and error and there are no methodical approach to his Matrix design. That is why I say it's random.

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Smith says that the Matrix is based on the end of the 20th century, and the movie starts in 1998. I would say that it's reset every 20-50 years.

Show me a transcript or describe me a scene in the triology that would support this, because you seem to think that there is a pattern (every 20-50 years)

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Show me a transcript or describe me a scene in the triology that would support this, because you seem to think that there is a pattern (every 20-50 years)

1) It was an early draft script by the Wachowskis with this idea
2) It cannot be every 50 years otherwise the Zionites would recognize
3) The peak of your civilization refers to the takeover by the machines most probably:
"Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you (= after the first AI) it really became our civilization"