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"Put your money where your mouth is"

A few (want-to-be intellectuals) have stated "Stop posting stupid comments. Look at the movie - it answers most of the questions, you probably just didn't get it." YEAH OKAY. The movie was 200 pounds of monkey-sh1t in a 5 pound bag. I didn't like it - not because of it did not answer questions - but because it was a mediocre, non-entertaining, "I've seen that before", action movie.

WHAT DID THE MOVIE ANSWER THEN? Post what questions the movie answered and stop saying that you know. The movie doesn't answer ANYTHING and when it TRIES to - it is sooo vague indefinite and stupid.

Ex. How is it that Neo can "attack" the Sentinels outside of the Matrix? "Open your eyes/ears the Oracle answered that".... Neo's powers extend outside of the Matrix, from one world to the other.... IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL A FU%KING ANSWER? That's re-stating the question! Tell me something we don't already know. OBVIOUSLY his powers extend beyond the Matrix BUT HOW you criptic old bitc#?

The more thought you put into this horrible movie, the less it deserves.

damn straight.

Deus Ex wrote:

Neo's powers extend outside of the Matrix, from one world to the other.... IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL A FU%KING ANSWER? That's re-stating the question!

So true, could not post it better.

Deus Ex wrote:

you criptic old bitc#?

Criptic and alive, while Trin is dead.

Deus Ex wrote:

WHAT DID THE MOVIE ANSWER THEN? Post what questions the movie answered and stop saying that you know. The movie doesn't answer ANYTHING and when it TRIES to - it is sooo vague indefinite and stupid.

That is a rather odd way of putting things isn't it? Wouldn't it be easier to list the questions that you want answered, rather than the other way around? And what were you expecting in the film, minutes of exposition? We didn't even have a recap of what had gone before at the start of the film did we, it went straight to story.

Deus Ex wrote:

How is it that Neo can "attack" the Sentinels outside of the Matrix? "Open your eyes/ears the Oracle answered that".... Neo's powers extend outside of the Matrix, from one world to the other....

Well, how about this?

We have no idea what genetic engineering has been used to make the humans shown in the films. Most people on this forum seem to assume that there's been no engineering, and yet, clearly this is incorrect.

Electronic implants are inserted at birth, which takes place in pods, presumerably by some form of cloning or artificial incubation. After all, two bodies in seperate pods can hardly do it the "natural way" can they? Why would the machines stop there? Some "wetware" must also be involved to make the connection to the matrix work, that is, some form of altering the brain of each person hooked up. That wetware would be involved with the interface, and with the modelling of the projected persona/avatar within the matrix, and with instant learning, and other changes in memory. This is how trinity can download the skill to operate a helicopter (even though that's only in the matrix) and how Bane was taken over by Smith, via the wetware component.

Now in Neo's case he retains the connection even though he isn't directly linked by copper wire to the matrix, and hence at some abstract level he is linked to Deus Ex Machina et al, and the connection is called "The Source". It's that connection that we see him using when he both feels and stops sentinels. Consider, we never see him do anything in the REAL world (Zion has been confirmed to be in the "real" world, by this film, but that's a whole 'nother story) to contradict any other laws of physics.

So, the only anomaly here is that Neo appears to have an inbuilt WAP connection to the Matrix and is able to use it. The other thing we see Neo do is to "see" with his mind, hence the flaming vision of Smith in Bane's body, and all the other pyrotechnics. But maybe all we're really seeing is his WAP connection picking up power discharge, and how his wetware interface interprets it.

Maybe.

That's ONE answer. You don't have to accept it, but it's up to you to point out any flaws in this argument. In fact, as far as I can see, it only seems important to those who needed the anomoly to "prove" that Zion was part of the matrix. That may in fact be the case, but the story as shown in #3 doesn't support it.

that's got to be one of the best answers to that question laura, it seems to fit well, i like your thinking!

LauraS wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to list the questions that you want answered, rather than the other way around?

Ahem, this whole site is a single question mark. Yet no question is answered.

It's also interesting to see that the Oracle gives the answer to one of the hugest cliffhangers of movie history. The Oracle. She never ever gave an answer to anything.

LauraS wrote:

That's ONE answer.

Yep this is the problem. This is YOUR answer. But I wanted the movie to answer questions. Instead it's as if in the ending credits it said: "For further possible explanations refer to matrix-explained.com"

knnknn wrote:

LauraS wrote: That's ONE answer. Yep this is the problem. This is YOUR answer. But I wanted the movie to answer questions. Instead it's as if in the ending credits it said: "For further possible explanations refer to matrix-explained.com"

SOOO TRUE, I dun want da bitches answer, I want da movie to giv me the answers, but heck, they made not but a crappy sci-fi Robot-Human war movie

knnknn wrote:

Ahem, this whole site is a single question mark. Yet no question is answered.

Very true -- that's part of the charm of this forum, and I must say (in a non-suck-upy way) you've done a good job of running it, as shown by the amount of involvement by the posters. If everything really COULD be answered in one or two posts, there'd be no forum would there?

knnknn wrote:

LauraS wrote: That's ONE answer. Yep this is the problem. This is YOUR answer. But I wanted the movie to answer questions. Instead it's as if in the ending credits it said: "For further possible explanations refer to matrix-explained.com"

ha ha ha ha -- I bet you wish they had!

Mind you, I made my deductions soley from what I saw in the films. I can see your point though -- it's like you were expecting Jesus and Brian turned up instead!

I hear your frustration! I'm going for the second viewing tomorrow so hopefully I'll pick some more up. After watching revolutions I felt like Belloq at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark during the ark opening ceremony, when he puts his hand in the ark and finds only sand! For half of Reloaded and all the Revolutions it was clear that the W brothers never intended Matrix to be a trilogy and had to retrofit all the theory established in M1 to make it work for 3 movies. There was a lot of story threads that were started in M2 that were ignored totally in M3, too many to list. Now, resolving the story in a satisfying manner and keeping the franchise alive for years and years (Star Trek, anybody?) are incompatible goals. Keanu already said he won't be back, so we are set up for the next cast (Matrix the Next Generation) to take over the fight against the machines, which might be a cool thing. An ending to the movie involving the total defeat of the machines and all the connected humans waking up, would have spelled doom for what could be a long running franchise. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed all three films but saw it for what it was, instead of some others who view the Matrix as some psuedo new-religion that is supposed to give answers to life's mysteries.

LauraS wrote:

Electronic implants are inserted at birth,....

I agree with you...

Just imagine how the sentinels are. The way the see each other. The way they follow the orders of the AI. Why cant Neo have that power? The oracle says his powers extend to the real world.

What is so difficult to understand here?

roborat wrote:

LauraS wrote: Electronic implants are inserted at birth,.... I agree with you... Just imagine how the sentinels are. The way the see each other. The way they follow the orders of the AI. Why cant Neo have that power? The oracle says his powers extend to the real world. What is so difficult to understand here?

Why does Neo have this power? How is he able to use it? Is the audience supposed to just accept that Neo can "shock" sentinels without an explanation beyond the re-stating of the obvious? "Electronic implants bullsh1t" is a person's hypothesis not fact. Were are the facts?

Let me brake it down so that you understand how ridiculous your question is: Lets say that I (Deux Ex) can fart blue fire out of my @ss. You ask "Hey how is it that Deux Ex can fart blue fire out of his @ss?" And the Oracle tells you - "Because Deus Ex needs to release his abdominal gas." HAS THE ORACLE answered your question? If you think yes, then you need help.

Why are you wasting so much energy and time blasting the film? Why don't you just move on and forget about it? You don't like the film so just stop wasting time here. You sound like an imature kid who just got dummed by some women and you feel as though you need to talk your trash to try to make yourself feel better.

Get over it dude. It's not the end of the world.

m00n wrote:

Why are you wasting so much energy and time blasting the film?

Bashing and hugging. That's what forums are for.

Deus Ex wrote:

Why does Neo have this power? How is he able to use it?

'cause he's "the one" of course! I have a more complete explanation elsewhere in the forums.

Deus Ex wrote:

Is the audience supposed to just accept that Neo can "shock" sentinels without an explanation beyond the re-stating of the obvious? "Electronic implants bullsh1t" is a person's hypothesis not fact. Were are the facts?

To paraphrase Rama-Chandra (the Indian guy at Mobil Ave):

Facts are never present in the film,
merely the appearances of the real
is presented.

Facts is merely a word.
It means an idea or concept
that we believe we can verify or
confirm at some future point."

I beleive everyone who left the movie pissed off, has the right to be pissed off. You were expecting a real explanation to Neo's powers werent you? And who the hell is the Merovingian and this and that.

You see the Matrix implies things, they don't explain things. The MwM theory was implied it was never stated. Why Neo is "the One" is a question we ask, but it was implied, but not stated. WHY cant any of the other people free their mind to the same extent of Neo. You see you were seeking answers to your own questions, questions that were only implied in the movie, and the answers were also implied. The point of the movie as stated by smith is that everything that humans know is a "construct of a feeble human intellect... as artificial as the Matrix itself."
I agree with everyone who was upset and paid money to see what seems like a dissappoiting film. The problem is that the Matrix sequels did not ever intend to answer questions, when I saw Reloaded I knew what direction the film had taken, but I didn't expect Revolutions to be so dry to the puzzles the movie itself had implied.

The reason the original Matrix was SO GOOD, was because all the connotations were UNIVERSAL. You didn't need an explanation of the ONE, based on Christianity, or Buddhism you could identify the One quickly, and with no problem... you knew what an Oracle was, and knew also about simmulations.
Most people never bother to think how the hell does the Oracle know everything in the first movie... it didn't matter, we don't need an explanation because we know what an Oracle is and understand it, so everything that is implied is understood.

Now Reloaded ran out of UNIVERSAL themes and dealed with a lot of smaller themes and SPECIFIC MYTHS, that not everyone is aware of.
The idea of a "SOURCE" is different in western thinking to oriental thinking so... most people never understood the source, so when the explanation of Neo's powers in Revolutions turned out to be the SAME as in the First movie, people went like WTF! is that it? Damn Oracle!

Everyone kept saying you don't need to understand everything to enjoy the movie, that's only partially correct because there's a lot of people who wanted to follow the plot and they got cheated out of the plot. The Plot is implied and so are the themes of the movie... At the end there's no answer, besides the one you chose to accept.

How did Jesus mutiply bread and fish?
How did the Buddha achieve enlightment?
you'll find the answer those questions are very similar to the answer of the Oracle:

The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from... The Source.

So the questions are implied, and so are the answers, at the end everything I write are just words, what matters IS WHAT IS IMPLIED BY THE WORD... like Reloaded had the tendency to have characters explain things before they took place, Rama-Chandra explains the direction of the movie... what matters is what's implied by the word... SOURCE is just a word. Now if you want to continue to be mad, and the people at the movie theater refused to give you refund because you still watched the entire movie, then too bad. LOTR Return of the King will do better, because as oppose to imply things they will show them to you. I do agree that they did get greedy, they could have made one superb sequel, but they wanted twice as much money, so even the Matrix uses us as batteries to make some people rich.

Peace.

woa this place looks familiar with knnknn laura and blastme, do u guys just stay on all day like i do? well neway i frankly dont no wat ur talkin about saying that the matrix is like an ive seen that before action, cus i have never seen a movie like the matrix before and i will never see one like it plus it doesnt answer alot of qs that is correct but isnt that wat makes it so good its a movie that you can go home and share your thoughts on and see wat others thought and see different theories, hey if you want a clear movie go watch some disney junk but if ur going to watch a sci fi action dont explect it to be clear cus sci fis just arnt like that

i think id like to add to wat i just said is you cant realy defend yourself to wat i said because your hear talking about it sharing ideas, and if your not havnt fun doing so like you should y r u here and i no some of u i have seen alot of.

in the first matrix neo went into smith and killed him, somhow he came bak because of neos files copied onto him, this also works vice versa smith also has files on neo now, in reloaded neo fights a million smiths, smith is now no longer an agent, he is freed from the cpu mainframe in the machine world, he is not under there control, he is in fact human. this may surprise many of you but he is now human, in the first matrix he said to morpheus humans are a virus they spread and they mulitiply until every resource is concumed, well wat is smith doing he is doing just that, he is multiplying, consuming everyone, he is becomeing human, although he himself is not human with flesh and blood his way of thinking is that of a humans, there fore all programs not connected directly to the mainfraim are human u see this in the marrovingian he has many human charectoristics and the oracle loves candy, then that guy in revolutions he loves his doughter, he had her created without a purpose but he loves her anyway and he will do anything to protect her, after this we can be sure that machines are human. next smith and neo are one and the same as well, along with trinity, trinity is neos balance outside the matrix and smith inside, smith gets stronger just as neo does, they must both live for both of them to live it that makes sence to you, if one dies they both die, neo realizes this that if he is gone trinity is gone aswell there fore once he is dead smith also must die as well for balance to be restored, smith and neos bond is great so the further you see smith in the series the more u see he acts miniocle and evil, he gets more and more human emotions and feelings, its the smell if there is such a thing, and id like to clear this up although its irrelevent, the spoon given to neo in reloaded was not from the kid but from that little bald munk from the first matrix movie who said do not try and bend the spoon that is impossible, instead try and realize the truth, wat truth, there is no spoon. then you will see it is not the spoon that bends it is only yourself. well neway that was to remind neo that there is no spoon some thing that believe in the MwM that it is saying there is no spoon in real life but there is no MwM it was never stated it would make the whole movie series accomplish nothing and that gold coding he saw wasnt coding, it was the machines energy or life force karma watever you want to call it, it was the machines bio electricity that they have taken from the humans, there is no MwM for in the matrix the coding is green as well as the green glow to everything in the matrix, but in the real world there is no gold just regular colors, and next with that whole thing with the serephs weird coding, well that was the first program neo had seen that was not connected directly to the mainfraim, as you remember humans and agents read the same, they are connected to the mainfraim, but i assure you that if u saw everyone theyd all look the same, exept for humans uplugged they dont glow green like agents and plugged in humans, they just look plain green. and also knnknn wat is up with that picture lol that is hilarious

movie is a comedy.., first off squids battle tactic is to circle arround its enemy until something happens...a weak tactic for such an "advanced" A.I. ...then theres the human army...a bunch of laughable robots called "APUs" (whatever that means) that move around like retards and shoot BULLETS at their ROBOTIC enemies...good job Zion...then theres the scene where that black woman makes grenades by crushing POWDER! yeah thatll make em bleed...then theres the machine bugs in the machine city whats up with that? ...then how do those 2 women (1 mentioned before that made grenades) evade 100000000000000000000000 squids by crawling through a pipe?
then why does the trainman (an old drunk hobo) have godlike abilities in his station and neo doesnt? the explanation was that he BUILT it blah blah... the architect BUILT THE ENTIRE MATRIX and his agents are easily beaten up by neo...the list goes on and on...the movie has more flaws than Star Trek, and thats a huge accomplishment

listen,there tactics are more then that, insects are used in robotics alot to because they have a simple and fast way of movement thats wats up with the bugs, then the nm some of the stuff ur righ.

look their tactic consists mostly of them getting killed by an army of morons...i mean they arent even that intelligent to kill that annoying skater boy that brings em ammo...no but hey they can circle around alot and that hopefully makes their enemies dizzy...yeeeeah every general from now on will look up to matrix "buzz around" tactic

now please be honest and try to think of a reason why would machines need robotic roaches in their city? they havent grown themselves so they must have built em to do what? fill space...but they are robots they dont waste resources or bother making places look authentic, or nice or whatever...

There they go with the unanswered questions thing again. Do you really want everything to just be given to you? Do what you all did for the other two and carefully disect every word, item, and scene. You might get some answers.

oh, okay! I will now look deep into the trilogy and look for answer why are machine armies so stupid, maybe its because the movie makes no sense and tries to be artistic...yeah i think ill go with that

Well said, White_Pawn.

Bravo!


What is the Matrix

i dont agree with what your saying "what is the matrix", but whatever, i dont care what you think

knnknn - why dont you just shut down the site if you hate matrix that much? why bother? just food for thought :/