»Matrix 4«

akc wrote:

MantaRay wrote: that is a really good idea. a prequel would rock. dunno what it would be about (it's kinda been covered in Animatrix). make prequel from another reload (I aint seen revolutions yet so don't tell me anything) I don't know -- the Animatrix tells pretty much the whole arc. Without the Matrix, it'd just be another Terminator doomsday scenario. Probably a good action flick but would lack the mythology.

The only trouble with the Animatrix is that it hasn't (at least not here in OZ) a theatric release, which means that not everyone's seen it, who may have seen the films.

I think a properly done prequel would be a good thing, but the plot would have to be just right, otherwise it becomes a "Phantom Menace" type film -- interesting perhaps, but ultimately unsatisfying.

i would love to see a prequel and i would like to see an sequel. there rumours of a 2nd matrix videogame based on the characters from the thrid movie but neo will not be in it. he made a guest appearence in as an unlockable character in enter matrix (the fighting game which u had hack the matrix to unlock the 2 player beat-em-up mode).

There should be an sequel which would tell u what happened after the machine and human truce and what happen to neo. then and only then will the story be over.

If a prequel was made it would have baed on the war between man and the machines and how the matrix was formed.

your right about a new game coming out, it has been reported to be ready for xmas 2004, then another by the end of 2005. i read that on another site. hope its true.

the story would continue, maybe one game could be a prequel about morpheus?

Another Smith wrote:

Smok3h wrote: Quote: thieves would steal it for profit(makes baby jesus cry). WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

Still, its a good idea. Plus it would get another Matrix movie into thearters.
(the story of Morpheus)

akc wrote:

The Matrix is no more a trilogy than the Lord of the Rings. Both are stories with lots of extensions or modules attached. That's surely a blueprint for corporate profiteering at the expense of creative vision. But I get this nagging feeling the story wasn't quite finished. That's not the same as wishing to have everything "explained" because at the core of it all is a mysticism retold for our times -- some things just can't be explained or shouldn't be. My guess is that if M4 is to be made, probably years from now, the theme would have to be the co-evolution of "machine" and humans. That's nothing new (but then the Matrix is just a hack of old things, a good hack), so it'll need a few twists to stay fresh, probably with a new set of characters and references to the triology. At this point my guess is the W. Brother & Sister-to-be haven't fully understood the choice they made, so they ended it there. Regardless M1 will probably never be surpassed. I still remember the shock of Neo's second birth, post Red Pilll....

Balderdash. The Lord of the Rings was conceived as a single novel (and in fact is), but it is typically broken up into three parts, as are the movies--they follow the storyline closely, and the separation of the three parts almost exactly. There is a prequel (The Hobbit), and some side material that's in the same realm, basically, but unrelated (Salmarillion). Any additional modules or extensions would have to be completely made up by profiteering Hollywood executives, because Dr. Tolkien didn't make anything else and he's also dead.

the Matrix movies are a trilogy in the sense that there are three separate movies in a contiguous storyline. The only possible question is whether or not the storyline is COHERENT.

MILF_HUNTER wrote:

Secondly, seeing a matrix 4 would really surprise me. It was made to be a trilogy and nothing more. --

Seing a Matrix 4 would surprise me too, seeing as Matrix 3 hasn't come out yet. Reloaded and Revolutions was meant to be one movie, but was too long which is why it was split into two. So, we've seen Matrix 1, Matrix 2/2, and I'm still waitin for Matrix 3

Joel Silver (Matrix producer): "Reloaded & Revolutions are one big movie cut in half that takes place over a 24 hour period...Both movies, but mainly Revolutions, will visit scorched Earth, where biomechanical machines terrorize Zion."

HaHa, the saga must continue.

The one movie was split into two movies. Each split half has a different title. Hence they are two seperate movies now. Hence they can now call it a trilogy. There are three movies and they have already said that there will not be another one. If you want to call it two movies instead of three then knock yourself out, no one is stopping you. But it doesn't change the fact that if the wachowskis say there won't be another - then there won't!

Don't get me wrong - i want another movie too. *sniff*

There must be another one! I know it. there must be!

I think the whole story has so much scope for further indulgence. Wether it be a prequal, as there are 600 hundred years of Matrix stories remaining to be told, Animatrix at least touched upon this. However I feel as many others here do that revolutions left me A, gagging for more! and B, a bit miffed as a lot of people myself included felt that Revolutions was not actually the End and was left open in a big way for a 4th film. I would love more of the Matrix, I want to immerse into Comics, books, and endless Animatrix short films, I would be exited and very happy however if a 4th film was made. This whole Matrix Idea is one that is not only entertaining but leaves you asking for more. I personaly feel that for the next five to six years we will need more of the Matrix as it's ground breaking theme is extremely hard to beat, more impossible than anything! so we need more! untill the whole story has been told and we feel satisfied.

If the war is over then how can you have anything but prequels without making a mockery of revolutions?

Matrix 4? No ideas for the beggining and middle of the movie, just for the end: in matrix 4 all humanity and machines would be destroyed completly. With that, there would be no more revolutions (and confusions).

Or, maybe they could put something in an ExistenZ style: the matrix 1 is inside the matrix2 that is inside the matrix 3...ect etc...that is inside the matrix 1 again . I mean, universe is just made by matrixs inside matrixs (not necessarily created by machines, maybe created by strange physical rules from a different universe). With that, there would be no physical escaping from that prision, maybe only with dead.

Both ends are cool because they are different and somehow scary (the second one even more).

There are only two "real possibilities" for a 4th matrix movie.

1. Continue the series with a forward progression of time. At the end of revolutions the war is over, but how long will the peace last. This movie could deal directly with the complications of unplugging the millions of people set to be released in this time of peace. There could be remaining waring factions ect... Or this film could take place even further in the future when the peace finally ends. Full scale war both inside and out of the matrix.

2. The most popular idea is one of the prequal. A movie before the movies. It could deal with the original creation of the matrix and the begining of the war. Or it could be later on once the matrix has been created and the freeing of the first human minds. Or "most likely" it could be a movie that takes place during some other unknown time during the existence of the matrix and be disjointed from the first two. In this one Merv, the Train Man, Smith, Orical, and the Architech are reconizable characters that could be used linking the future to the past.

3. The only other idea is most impratical for a feature film. It would delve deeper into the sci fi world including some form of time travle. It would some how link together the past, present and future pivoting around one central character who is struggling to explain in his own mind hiw uncontrable leeps through time. A good example of this kind of film would be the mini series that ended Star Trek Next Generations. Obviously nothing alike it remains the best example of the time travel around.

Personally I favor the 2nd idea. An ungiven time in the matrix with new characters. I found a screen treatment and posted the first four pages of it on here under (4th matrix?). It is really pretty good and though it starts off with some simularities to the first film it differes quickly. This treatment deals with the Merv and the Train Man quite a bit and even the birth of Smith.

I hope there isn`t gona be M4, because M3 is a perfect ending of a perfect treelogy.

There won't be a M4. I would hate for them to ruin the trilogy by making another movie. If they did a 'Star Wars Episode 1' type thing, it would be great for people who don't understand the trilogy or are too lazy to watch the Animatrix. But it would overall be unsatisfying and therefore ruining the trilogy. I would love to see a video game that picks up where Revolutions left off. We already know they are willing to make a game that ties in to the movies, so I see this happening within the next year. What people fail to see is that they can make the Matrix trilogy about 10 movies. They can pick up with the Animatrix, explaining Man creating AI and the war between man and machine starting. The would explain the Machine World and the creation of the Matrix. They could explain the versions of the Matrix and the emergence of the One. Then they would have to explain the creation of Zion and its development. After all this you would have the actual three movies that were made, which can be stretched into 4 or 5. That is if they incorperate the video game and further explain all 3 movies, lengthening each one. I am both glad they did the trilogy the way they did and disappointed that they didn't do certain things. I can go on and on about what I wished they had done. But all I can ask for is a book or two that explain the ENTIRE Matrix, especially Revolutions and Sati and the mass confusion that still exists for me. If I want to get greedy, I'll ask for a video game that picks up where M3 left off. In my dreams, I wish I could interview the Wachowski Brothers and ask them about 100 questions. Then I would congradulate them and the cast on a job well done and a trilogy well made.

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Wake up Neo, we are under attack and need your help

How long have I been...the tubes

You were both repaired

This attacker, does he have a French accent by any chance?

Someone said there was a link to a site about the matrix online game on this thread. Where is it?

its in the "what now" thread...the third post down...id link you but i dont know how

Yes a prequel would be alot easier and safer but it would also be less rewarding.After the trilogy, any kind of spin off like the Animatrix storys would be a novelty.An origin story would just be an interesting Matrix documentary.

Fatpie42 wrote:

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Someone said there was a link to a site about the matrix online game on this thread. Where is it?

It was me! Here's the link -

Anything that comes next needs to be well thought out, and preferably give more insight.

Well as you can all imagine and believe, I've been looking into MxO and to be totally honest with you it's looking awesome!
I'm a member at many MxO forums and if opinion and sheer numbers are anything to go by ti's going to be big.... huge in fact...

Personally I can't wait....