»what is the end all about?«

I don't know what the end is all about?

-Neo is dead, Trinity is dead!
-What happend to Seraph and the girl when they met all the agents Smith?
-What's up with Sati (the little girl)?
-Is Neo dead or not?
-Nothing changed, the machines still control humans. Like the beginning of the first movie.
-Why did all the agents explode in the end.
-After Neo's and Smith's fight, why did the whole environment change suddenly? Did the machines create something like a new matrix?
-Why was Smith so powerful in the end? Because of the oracle?
-What happend to the Merovingian?

The film was great until the last 15 minutes. Then I didn't understand anything. It is such an open end, I don't get it. Why did they do such a weird end?

Smith became powerful because he took over the oracle and so gained some foresight into the future("the eyes of the oracle"...which is why only one smith fought Neo..
When Smith copied himself into Neo..Neo's body was connected to the Machine mainframe and so both the Alpha and the Omega, the positive and negative effects of the anomaly were inserted into the Source..the Source code which governs the matrix so...one way or another Neo eventually returns to the source and fulfills the Path of The One..The Matrix reboots as signified by the cat..because of Neo's sacrificial act the Truce of the war of Zion is caused whereby those that are like Morpheous can reside and those that are like Cypher (ignorance is bliss) can live in the matrix..
However like all truces the question is posed by The Architect..How long for?

lol oh no....i just thought of something Instead of Matrix inside a Matrix theories we're now gonna have this is what might of already happened...this story could of happened already...but then ...like neo says that's a what i leave up to you to decide

I understand everything apart from the end.

The machines still control everything, the matrix still exists, the machines are still bad (the architect wasnt happy with the situation and said the peace wont last long) so what has Neo really accomplished? the war is over for a little bit. can someone explain the ending so i can understand how the humans are better off?

i thought Neo was supposed to destroy the machines for good, get rid of the matrix and all the humans are free and fix the world?

i hope there is a 4th movie.

shibbydude

that's exactly why even i'm confused.same questions eating my brain.

what did that cat scene in the end signifies?

How was Neo able to stop the sentinels in the real world?

Do you guys remember that after all the Smith's exploded, only the exile programs that were copied remained? There were no humans walking around thinking "what the fuck just happened?" The Humans connected to the Matrix are all dead. Therefore, what is left of the human race (Zionites) is free from the Matrix. Makes you think, wouldn't you rather be plugged into the matrix than dead? I know I would.

Note - Sati and Seraph were also copied, which is why you see Sati on the floor much like the Oracle after Smith is destroyed.

I also noticed that no humans are in sight, only exile programs. My theory is not that they are dead. They can't be dead because The architect says to oracle he will keep his word (about freeing any person that wishes to leave the matrix)

The system simply relocated their code to some place they would normally be, like at work. The Matrix could have something as a System Restore, a backup from 24 hours ago for example . We know for a fact, from Matrix 1, that the system can alter your code: you can be "overwriten" by an agent, or you can loose your mouth and lips (Neo in the interrogation room). So if the system can do that, why wouldn't it be able to change your location?. And we know that the system can make you forget things (cypher: i don't want to remember nothing. No-thing!) or make it feel like it was a dream (neo after beeing "bugged" by the agents)


The reason why we only see the oracle and Sati is because they are exile programs, that are "disconnected" from the system, the same way smith was. If the system could move (i.e. change the code of) exile programs, smith would have simply been erased when he returned to the matrix.


Neo is just the exception to the rule. Given that he was connected from the Deus Ex Machina plug, his residual self image code was deleted (no need to leave a corpse lying around in the street)

Why would it matter what plug Neo jacked in from?

There are two possibilities:

1. All the humans who were connected to the matrix at the time of the reset were killed.

2. The people connected survived, but Neo did not, for no apparent reason.

If 2, then it is a plot hole.

I expected to see Neo standing there when the Smith that took him over exploded. It was visually very similar to when Neo jumps into him, then destroys him in the first one.

Neo died because he was jacked in with Deus Ex Machina plug! The machine god had direct access to neo, and had to kill him in order to kill smith.

Not necessarily a plot hole. That machine probably doesn't control the entire matrix, therefore couldn't just kill people infected by smith. Or maybe the system doesn't allow people being killed - their real bodies that is).
But neo was using Deus Ex Machina plug.

The Machina didn't restore the matrix system on it's own. Maybe all it did was invoque a system's function

System.restore() for those who know a at least a little of object oriented programming

The oracle said that Neo and Smith were the same, but opposite, meaning they were almost like inverses of eachother. Neo didn't realize it until the end, but by combining with Smith, he could null both their exsistences. Kinda like when you add 2 and -2, they equal 0. Only when Smith was destroyed could the Matrix repair itself, because, smith had absorbed so much of the matrix that he had too much control over it for the Deus Ex Machina to fix the Matrix.

Neo knew that the machines would certainly be destroyed as well as the humans in zion. The machines would destroy the humans, and smith would destroy the machines. Neo had to intervene. He had also realized that the programs were beings, even if there were not flesh. He no longer sought to destroy the machines after conversing with Rama Kandra about emotions and beliefs. Neo suffers greatly but learns that sacrifice is necessary to change things. He makes his deal for peace with the Deus Ex Machina believing that he can defeat Smith. He realizes at the end of the fight that only by merging with Smith can Smith be defeated, or, more appropriately, nulled. Neo didn't die so much as he ceased to exsist.

jabrouni1 wrote:

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what did that cat scene in the end signifies?

It was pointing you back to the first film, something had been changed...

putting the debate aside as to whether or not neo is dead for now, i believe that this was actually a perfect ending. think about it, assuming that machines are incapable of lying, the truce will stand, unless the humans for whatever reason decide to restart it ( they want more, etc.) consider the scenario....if all humans were unplugged, the machines would die, and their sense of self preservation could not let this happen without....war, to capture humans....also, if the 'billions of people just living out their lives' were all unplugged, they could not all possibly survive. not enough food, water, space, etc. and so we are left with the perfect solution. those wanting released are released freely, without zionites risking death to get them out. those 'hopelessly emerged' in the system will stay in the system. machines happy, humans happy (either free or in the matrix) and no war. your thoughts if any....

sokar wrote:

Neo died because he was jacked in with Deus Ex Machina plug! The machine god had direct access to neo, and had to kill him in order to kill smith. Not necessarily a plot hole. That machine probably doesn't control the entire matrix, therefore couldn't just kill people infected by smith. Or maybe the system doesn't allow people being killed - their real bodies that is). But neo was using Deus Ex Machina plug. The Machina didn't restore the matrix system on it's own. Maybe all it did was invoque a system's function System.restore() for those who know a at least a little of object oriented programming

the deus ex machina did not kill neo, if he had then that would have meant neo would have failed, and the peace agreement would never of happened!

The deus ex machina DOES control the whole of the matrix. That is why it is so important! However, it needs Neo to destroy Smith who is acting like a kind of virus. That is why the architect said that unless Neo returns to the source all the humans would be killed. That would be the only way to defeat Smith!

I don't know if this is significant or utter rubbish, but the cat in Revolutions...They say cats have nine lives; also, as in M1, the cat signified a glitch in the matrix (deja vu). Any thoughts anyone?

neo isn't dead, the oracle said so. she could be reffering to another neo (the architect told us about it in reloaded), but i doubt it. i think that neo, just before he was destroyed and just after he was "assimilated" by agent smith, took over the machines, wich means that neo is now in control of the machine army, and that's why the machines didn't destroy zion after neo "kicked the bucked" and why he was carried away by that big machine thingy. how he did that? dunno. but still, as it seems that "he is the one" is usually enough of a exlaination for a theory, i think it's in order here aswell.

1) Neo is dead, Trinity is dead!
2) What happend to Seraph and the girl when they met all the agents Smith?
3) What's up with Sati (the little girl)?
4) Is Neo dead or not?
5) Nothing changed, the machines still control humans. Like the beginning of the first movie.
6) Why did all the agents explode in the end.
7) After Neo's and Smith's fight, why did the whole environment change suddenly? Did the machines create something like a new matrix?
Why was Smith so powerful in the end? Because of the oracle?
9) What happend to the Merovingian?

1) Neo is dead for a reason, his code needs to be re-inserted into the matrix, Trinity is dead beacuse it is inevitable ("she is going to die and there is nothing you can do about it")

2) Seraph & the Girl I believe existed within the Smith that they became, Hence their knowledge becomes Smith's, eg "Cookies need love" and him laughing after getting the oracles ability.

3) Someone said that she is the program for love, she is unnecessary in the machine world, thus would be facing deletion.

4) Neo is dead. His code was re-inserted into the matrix. Smith could only die when Neo died (my theory). Also "The One" is not dead as it is a re-occuring error in the matrix, hence the oracle saying "
I suspect so. Someday."

5) Not really. The war is over, the peace between the machines and humans has been established. True that the machines still control the majority of humans connected to the matrix, but remember the architect told the oracle that those who wanted to be freed would be.

6) yeah thats a tough one, but remember that smith is a part of Neo, and I'm thinking as long as Neos is alive, Smith is alive. If Smith assimilates Neo, everything is set in order. The smiths are a copy of the orginal program, If one of those programs begins to be erased/destroyed, all are.

7) Neo's code was re-introduced into the matrix. This has the effect of upgrading the matrix and restoring everything to normal. It also reverses Smiths changes to the Matrix.

Remember originally he got his power from Neo. After assimilating the oracle he gained her ability to see the future. But he could not see past the choices he did not understand. Hence, when he said to Neo "I have already seen you defeated" (or watever) and then remember he freaks out near the end of the fight "Why Mr Anderson? why? why?...he does not understand the choice..

9) No idea. I'm supposing he survives... "Mark my words, boy, and mark them well. I have survived your predecessors, and I will survive you!"

Neo is dead, Trinity is dead! yes but neo will come back in a nother form
-What happend to Seraph and the girl when they met all the agents Smith? they were smithified, or turned into smiths
-What's up with Sati (the little girl)? i'm not sure..i've heard she's spposed to be the next oracle but i don't think so...but saati was a form of meditation where the guy reached enlightenment just as the sun rose
-Is Neo dead or not? physically yes, but not his spirit
-Nothing changed, the machines still control humans. Like the beginning of the first movie. no, the machines and humans are at peace and all the people left in thematrix that want to be let out wrer freed.
-Why did all the agents explode in the end. still thinikgin about taht one...
-After Neo's and Smith's fight, why did the whole environment changesuddenly? Did the machines create something like a new matrix? it changed back to the prettyness, because the war was over/smith was gone and there was the little deja vu cat
-Why was Smith so powerful in the end? Because of the oracle?maybe, but it hink it was becuase he was neo's other side. *can't remember!* and i think he was spposed to have grown faster now for some reason....
-What happend to the Merovingian? i hae no idea...

Here is my take on the cat and why Neo died.

M1 used the cat to demonstrate de sha vu for Neo. De sha vu meant something was changed in the matrix. In M3 we saw a cat at the end meaning something was changed. Here is what it was...

In M1, M2, and up until the end of M3 we thought Neo couldn't be beaten. We all thought he'd pull off some miraculous finish and beat Smith...

When Neo met with the architect he was told he'd have to make a decision. Destroy Zion, or he would be destroyed. Neo chose to save Zion and sacrifice himself. THIS IS WHERE THE CHANGE IN THE MATRIX OCCURED. When Neo chose to save zion and sacrafice himself the architect changed the matrix so Neo would die in the end. Hence seeing the cat in the final scenes.



Anyone agree?

unc1phil wrote:

Here is my take on the cat and why Neo died. M1 used the cat to demonstrate de sha vu for Neo. De sha vu meant something was changed in the matrix. In M3 we saw a cat at the end meaning something was changed. Here is what it was... In M1, M2, and up until the end of M3 we thought Neo couldn't be beaten. We all thought he'd pull off some miraculous finish and beat Smith... When Neo met with the architect he was told he'd have to make a decision. Destroy Zion, or he would be destroyed. Neo chose to save Zion and sacrifice himself. THIS IS WHERE THE CHANGE IN THE MATRIX OCCURED. When Neo chose to save zion and sacrafice himself the architect changed the matrix so Neo would die in the end. Hence seeing the cat in the final scenes. Anyone agree?

Almost my only problem is that I belive that neo sacraficed himself because he heard/felt the Oracles presence and realized that she sacraficed herself to help him realized what to do. With that realization Neo sacraficed himself to become one with Smith thus balancing the equation and allowing the machines the eleminate the anomally.

See I belive that Smith not Neo was the Anomally and if smith was the Anomaly then he was the one not Neo. Like people are always saying Neo is an anagram of one which means (to me) hes not the one, the oracle even says it. She never confirms that he is. She does say that the ones power reaches beyond the matrix (ex. Smith/Bane) Bane isn't uncosious as smith operates inside the matrix Neo is. Neo was the negative one while smith was the one who's presence would bring order to the matrix (which in a way it did but a matrix full of smiths isn't the order that was needed, but order is order one single thought process one single goal that to me is complete order). Anyone agree/disagree?

The above comment is half right. Neo is really the One and the Oracle does confirm it. In M1, she tells him he isn't because he didn't believe in himself. After that, she refers to him as the One many times.
In the end of M3, Neo does realize that the Smith he is fighting is the Oracle. I don't know if he thinks she sacrificed herself for him, but he realizes what he must do because of her. Before that, he thought he could beat Smith with strength. The Oracle made him realize he had to sacrifice himself.

Neo dead? I am not sure. But he intended to lose his fight to Smith. He needed Smith to try to assimilate him so that the machine would then be connected to smith and there by erase the virus.

The people in the matrix are not dead.

The French dude continues his role as part of the the Matrix programme for those that remain.

My question is how will the machine know which people want releasing, and which wish to remain?

He talks about accepting the choice on an unconscious level. The machines can fairly easily read human psychology and they know who wants out, probably all those Mr Anderson misfits who think the rules do not apply to them. Folks like us really, all the open minded wierdos of the world who discuss things like this ad infinitum and worry about ghosts and aliens.

They would soon know who the trouble starters are and would weed us out to become zionites. A bit like dream interpretation really, you dont need to ask any conscious questions.

As to the cat, its just a nice touch thrown in for folks that remember the first film. As to the people, they arent dead. If they were, the architect would be running around in a panic and half the matrix wouldnt even exist, since it uses their heads for memory space. Neo may well be dead in body, but as the prophecy of the one indicates, he can reincarnate. Since thats what he is, the reappearance of the man who could change things with his mind...he is a trapped soul (or as we now know program code of some sort that the machines have a hand in controlling or using from time to time).

True, the machines still have the upper hand, but this is good. Mankind was greedy and needed taking down a peg or two, so they have now learned some humility. They blew up the sky for goodness sake. Things will work out, but it will take some time. Mankind needs to adapt to this one, not shoot its way out as it usually does in movies.

The ending could have been a lot worse. This way, at least, it settles things down and gives a sense that all will be all right in the end. War, even for machines, is not the best thing out there.