»Where is human power from?«

My question is if we scorched the sky to stop the machines in the first place because they were dependant on solar power, and that made them figure out a way to use humans as a power source, where do the people in zion get there power to run the ships and the electricity?

Because if the humans have a power source to use all of there stuff, why don't the machines just use this same source as well. We (humans) are definitely not using the typical power sources we have now and we aren't using humans as well, in the movies.

I was just wondering if anybody had thought about this because it doesn't make any sense that the humans have any way of running power-dependant machines in Zion.

Well, Zion doesn't really require the same amount of power that the Machine World does. Can you imagine how much power must be required just to run the Matrix alone? That said, there has been much debate if the human battery theory makes any sense in the pre-revolutions threads. Read those for some answers.

dustmite5282 wrote:

where do the people in zion get there power to run the ships and the electricity?

What a fantastic thought! Must add this. My best bet would be, that they energy from the temerature of the earth (underground).

The whole bodies=energy idea is one single plot hole. The sun is just a few hundred meters away, thus should be within the reach of the machines.

Yeah, where does Zion get their energy from? And where does the Machines get their energy from?

Question: How are babies born in "The Matrix"?
If half the human population is suspended in a type of holding tank, how are new babies "made," then born?
Where is "new" energy coming from...are the mothers conscious?

curio wrote:

Yeah, where does Zion get their energy from? And where does the Machines get their energy from? Question: How are babies born in "The Matrix"? If half the human population is suspended in a type of holding tank, how are new babies "made," then born? Where is "new" energy coming from...are the mothers conscious?

Who really knows how zion gets its energy. It could be a mixture of ways or maybe more simple.. It is something we dont know.

About the babies.. Perhaps the machines just plug babies in similar to the way the resistance plugs in.. It is something the machines may have had planned. It could be off hand.. Who knows?

Perhaps the machines can make babies using certain cells from the deceased... stem cells? Whatever.

You will find that the machines feed off of body heat, Bio electricity, Emotions... In other words nothing is wasted.

All it takes is a small electrical impulse to the brain to spur even the greatest amount of body heat,, Embarressment, Anger, Happiness, Ect....

Perhaps the machines store their electricity within the humans themselves.. It is a cycle the machines have going.. It is one of the reasons that the humans are called crops..

I hope that this helps curio.

i agree with Mr knn & may be this was what Archi. ment by saying 'there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept' .
and it can be that zion gets the power from the machine city itself.Because Zion IS made by the machines to keep humans, who are free from matrix, in a jail ouside the matrix.so it's the responsibilty of the machines to keep them alive.

Thanks,

the comment about using stem cells makes alot of sense.
What the machines does to humans completely ruin the notion of "families". Which is evil, and should be stopped.
curio.

The babies are not "born" they are grown, correct?

Therefore, the babies are constantly being grown, and based on the recorded sexual actions of human RSI's hardwired to the system the babies are assigned parents with which to be born to. The actual DNA biology is irrelevant because the DNA that would be tested by scientists inside the Matrix would yield the results assigned to that babies RSI. Therefore, the sperm/egg joining from hosts in the hard world is not related to the conception of the digital fetus. However, it is my understanding that one of the many tubes coming out of bodies of the hard world is a metal cathoder (ouch) which removes urine and semen from the human. If you can die in the real world from being killed in the matrix then it is my assumption that if you ejaculate in the Matrix, then you do the same in the real world. Your mind makes it real. I'm sure out of the randomization of sperm cells in whatever vat of sperm the machines possess for recreation (double ewww!) the sperm cells are all intermingled and used when needed. The female process is somewhat more involved I'm sure, BUT, it is possible through the "infinite monkeys theory" that a person can indeed receive an offspring that could possibly be from their own sperm/egg cells. Although rare, but is does explain the feelings of isolation most humans feel from their families. And why one child can be tan with dark hair and another will be blonde with blue eyes and there was no infidelity... etc.

As for the powering of Zion's life support machines, I have already stated my theory on other boards, but instead of inserting links I will restate them here.

In Hamann's speech on "control" to Neo in the Engineering level in Reloaded, Hamann mentions that he didn't make the "point" that humans need machines and vice versa, he only spoke statements that helped Neo draw the same conclusion. Because Hamann was wise (old) enough to know that Neo is the kind of kid who, if told something, would naturally rebel and reject it. Hamann knew he needed to let Neo draw his own conclusions. And after 60+ years as a citizen of Zion, Hamann knew that the power used to run the life support machines of Zion where not powered by thermal energy (which would easily render the engineering level too hot for frail human bodies to enter) but were run off of some outside source. It is my belief that the machines are powered off of the human power plant, the same power plant the machine city is run off of. The reason for Hamann speech is to inform Neo that if Neo were to follow Morpheus' beliefs of the destruction of the Matrix, not only would the machines lose power, not only would the Matrix shut down, and all human connected to it be killed, but Zion would also be without it's life support systems. It was Smith's perogative to destroy all forms of intelligence on the Earth, it was Neo's destiny to stop that from happening, to be the Savior. The Oracle knew that, and all the was needed to end the war was perfect timing on her part, and that is where She specializes. Ah, the eyes of the Oracle.

Well, i sorta strayed but the point was made... what do you all think?

Kozar

Wow, Kozar wrote so well...he has me convinced.
If the machines can assign "digital" children to unsuspecting humans, why not assign "programs" to certain "anti-authority" types, to better watch over them? Or better yet, to divide their loyalities. The Matrix could be a world where programs are raised as children, and their unsuspecting human host...parents.
Hows that for a story line?

This reminds me of Dune. In Dune, You never knew if your wife, or girlfriend was assigned to you (by an ancient secret order of female witches who created human genetic lines....)
In Dune woman (as mothers) gained a type of power over unsuspecting males. In the Matrix, the computer has a
similar power (the ability to grant you your wish...) this also sounds like the movie "Vanilla Skys."

Kozar has convinced me about Zion's energy source. That also makes sense. At the end of Matrix III I was unconvinced about Zions liberation...the idea that they are also completely dependent on machines makes perfect sense.

Thanks Kozar.

curio.

Sidenote: If the Matrix were real, I'd imagine very popular businesses that specialized in "Tantric" sex-like sexual training . Through mind training, you could acheive incrediable orgaisims. Wouldn't this type of training be more popular than Karate/Martial arts.

I'm just speculating....

If anyone cares, the Matrix article over at Doug Mann's Website really summed up The Matrix for me (it's an excellent scholarly academic paper). But I still enjoy thinking about the Matrix....

Thanks.