»so did neo die?«

All I can say is....in this world and the Matrix, there is infinite possibilities.

Sati definitely is not the one. That is just my opinion but i strongly believe it. Like someone else commented, programs like the Merovingian can modify the matrix to some extent. They can't just complete modify anything they want to. In the beginning Sati did not have a purpose, but at the end her purpose was to write the code for sunsets. It really isnt that hard to understand.

and that would be such a significant end to the entire matrix saga wouldnt it?

my ass

she was given a purpose...when and by who...you cant answer cause it didnt happen

we already know that there was a programme to govern the sunset from the oracles speech in reloaded..."a programme was written to govern the winds,the birds,sunrise and sunset"

we know that sati had no purpose from the trainstation scene

think of this...if neo was the one...then all his predeccsors were the one

THEN WHY THE FUCK DID NONE OF THEM END THE WAR...WHY IS EVERYONE STILL PLUGGED INTO THE MATRIX...

SATI IS THE ONE...THE ENDING OF REVOLUTIONS REVEALED IT...

the matrix online is set after revolutions and so hopefully it will be verified

or i hope to god that something will be verified

why the hell doesnt the official site have a Q and A section so this fucking mess can get cleared up?

hahaha...

hopefully then someone will be proved right

Fatpie42 wrote:

If Neo wasn't the one then Sati can't be either.

why...because you wouldnt like it?

and by the way...i hope you were as confused by your post when writing it as i was when reading it

hahaha

Ok, I agree that there is a possibility that Sati is the one.
But isnt she just a program? How can a program be the one?

JakeC wrote:

Ok, I agree that there is a possibility that Sati is the one. But isnt she just a program? How can a program be the one?

how can a programme NOT be the one

the matrix is after all "a world where anything is possible"

My post made total sense and you still haven't answered any of issues I brought up.

If there is no such thing as the one then Sati can't be the one

If Neo wasn't "the one" and Neo is the only person referred to as "the one" then there IS NO "one"

However, Neo WAS "the one" because he was the only one who ended the war. Yes, the war is over. There is now peace and as the architect says, those who aren't out yet will be freed. Presumably you have to choose to leave.

I don't THINK that Sati and Neo can BOTH be "the one". There was only ever one "the one" at any one point before. I may be wrong on that score. The oracle says that Neo might come back, meaning that he is still alive. If there can only be one "the one" then Sati can't be "the one".

i think ive put my argument across as you have put yours

i dont believe you and you dont believe me

lets leave it at that

Hahaha. Come on, who's next? I need more entertainment.

so you want to continue do you...

let me see...

your argument is that neo is the one

if neo is the one then all his predecessors were also the one

if all his predecessors were also the one then how come the prophecy wasn't fulfilled 5 versions of the matrix ago?

please answer this simple question

[quote="Akshat Gupta] I need more entertainment.[/quote]

go to a strip club...

oh...and while were still arguing about it

i said earlier that you have put your arguments across and in fact...you havent

you havent given a single explanation as to why neo is "definitely" the one

all youve said is "if neo isnt the one then sati cant be the one"

Just wanted to butt in....the phophesy was a lie by the way. It wasn't true and wasn't meant to be true.

The previous ones didn't fulfil the prophecy because they didn't pick the correct door when they saw the architect. Neo didn't take the door the architect wanted him to and by going to the machine God and asking for peace he was the first to fulfil the prophecy and end the war.

Sati might be ANOTHER one. But she is a saviour for the programs. She has nothing to do with ending the war.

Fatpie42 wrote:

The previous ones didn't fulfil the prophecy because they didn't pick the correct door when they saw the architect. Neo didn't take the door the architect wanted him to and by going to the machine God and asking for peace he was the first to fulfil the prophecy and end the war. Sati might be ANOTHER one. But she is a saviour for the programs. She has nothing to do with ending the war.

this is true...neo is responsible for ending the war...but you would agree that while he does have powers...he cannot change the matrix as he sees fit

in my view i see neo as the anomaly...an exeptionally gifted human being which is the result of having a piece of the matrix code inside him

the machines saw the danger that these humans could cause but also knew that they were essential to the functioning of the matrix(remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix)

they came up with the prophecy as a way to control these humans back to the source(in the architects office)

so all the stuff about them saving humanity and if they dont return to the source then all humans will have been wiped out was a lie to get him to the source so his memory can be deleted and the programme reinserted into another person

as you say...neo did not choose the same door as the rest of his predeccessors and this in turn led him to ending the war

but the prophecy only said(in one interpretation of it although we all know that everything in the matrix can be interpreted numerous ways)that the anding of the war,the destruction of the matrix and the emergence of the one would happen at roughly the same time

so this is how the results of it could be interpreted also

1:neo ended the war by bartering with the machines

2:the matrix was destroyed by smith in the sense that he took over everybody

3:the humans race was freed because everybody who wants out will be let out

4:someone emerged that could change the matrix as they saw fit(sati)

i agree with you that there are many different explanations and interpretations that all have an equal chance of being right

i have deliberately left out all the symbolism in my theory as most of the symbolism in the film has no direct bearing on the plot itself

i hope you can understand and accept that the theory has as good a chance of being right as anyone elses and we can all hope that the wachowski brothers have the decency to end these theories by puting their explanation on the revolutions dvd


cheers...the anomaly

I think we are mis-using the term "One." I think that the One is the person to save the human race, which Neo did. The other "Ones" were just "Reloaders", in a sense. Idk, something I've been thinking about.

Yes, I agree with Emilee on this one. I don't think that "the one" is what you guys are precieving it as. I think the one is defined as the savior of the human race. Not someone who may have certain abilties inside or outside of the matrix. But then again, everyone plays apart in saving Zion, so IDK! lol

Emilee wrote:

I think we are mis-using the term "One." I think that the One is the person to save the human race, which Neo did. The other "Ones" were just "Reloaders", in a sense. Idk, something I've been thinking about.

thats where i disagree...i believe that the one is the person that has the ability to change the matrix

this in turn will bring about the ending of the matrix itself in the future

oh...and one other point i forgot to make yesterday

if sati is only a programme that has now been given a purpose then why did the oracle say that "the child is important...i believe the child will change the future of both your world AND OUR WORLD FOREVER"

if she is only a programme that controls the weather then what is her significance in the real world

and if she now has a purpose then why doesnt she go back to her mother and father as she would have no fear of being deleted...and wht do none of the other programmes that control the matrix exist inside the matrix...by that i mean wind programmes and the like?

the anomaly wrote:

i hope you can understand and accept that the theory has as good a chance of being right as anyone elses and we can all hope that the wachowski brothers have the decency to end these theories by puting their explanation on the revolutions dvd

You wish! (i do too to be honest) It ain't gonna happen is it? If the wachowskis said what their own interpretation of the matrix was then so many people would be dissapointed in finding they were wrong. Think how upset 555 would be when they didn't say that it was about astral planes....

I see how what Morpheus says strengthens your case for Sati being the one.

Morpheus only said that the coming of the matrix would mean that the war would end and didn't say that the one himself would do it. Though that is true I personally feel it is being pedantic. Neo didn't need Sati to be released in order to end the war or vice versa. The ending of the war has to have something to with the one surely?

Nice view but I'm not convinced. Then again what do I know?

then between the 2 of us we dont know shit

hahaha...

but at least we put up theories that involve the actual story of the matrix eh?

not like some people(astral planes...hmmph...arent they things that will take us into space in the future)

hehehe

WOW....you know what i just realized? This thread has gotten completely off the original topic....i say we take our little chat to a new topic! lol....what do you say?

I think he could still be alive in the Matrix, like Seraph. Someone else has a theory as to who Seraph is. I'll post a link to the thread.

From a purely cinema point of view, neo is NOT dead. the reason for this is because he glows pure light at the end, now dead things dont tend to glow! but then again, so do the machines... who knows!

From a mathmatical algebra point of view, the dudes dead as a doorpost. he cancelled out smith and thats him dead.

from a philosopical and relgious PoV to combat some people who draw comparissons to Jesus, note the bible claims he ROSE AGAIN and the oracle plainly points towards his "second coming" if you see what I mean.

to be honest tho, even if hes dead, the films have taken on a life of their own. the animatirx proved u dont need neo to make the stories work and look at the upsurge of interest (Even from people like me who wont be able to afford it) in the Matrix Online, neo might be dead but the possibility for the other characters left over heralds many possibilities.

to be honest, neo ticked me off. i was sad smith died. i was really rooting for him at the end. i think he deserved it. credit where its due, he worked really hard on his plot to destroy existence! come on people... admit it!

Hes Dead. I saw him die. He Died. Thats enough for me.

HE DIED.


or maybe he didnt, i mean the other "Ones" are still kicking. or maybe he dies, and is reincarnated as another program.

but, i still think he is D-E-D, DED

the anomaly wrote:

then between the 2 of us we dont know shit hahaha... but at least we put up theories that involve the actual story of the matrix eh? not like some people(astral planes...hmmph...arent they things that will take us into space in the future) hehehe

Ok, the reason why the previous ones didnt end the war was because they did what they had to do to save zion, where neo did what he did to save trinity. it wasnt the same as before and in order to save trinity he changed things. its the element of choice that the architect gave him in order to make the matrix work. the reason the war didnt end before was because the other "ones" went throught the door on the right and "saved" zion, where neo went throught the other door, to the matrix and saved zion and the matrix.

as for sati being the one... nah... shes something else. what exactly shes going to turn out to be only time will tell.

the anomaly wrote:

then between the 2 of us we dont know shit hahaha... but at least we put up theories that involve the actual story of the matrix eh? not like some people(astral planes...hmmph...arent they things that will take us into space in the future) hehehe

Ok, the reason why the previous ones didnt end the war was because they did what they had to do to save zion, where neo did what he did to save trinity. it wasnt the same as before and in order to save trinity he changed things. its the element of choice that the architect gave him in order to make the matrix work. the reason the war didnt end before was because the other "ones" went throught the door on the right and "saved" zion, where neo went throught the other door, to the matrix and saved zion and the matrix.

as for sati being the one... nah... shes something else. what exactly shes going to turn out to be only time will tell.