»so did neo die?«

dont meen to sound lame but did neo die? and also think ill comment tht i am truely disapointed at this money snatching peice of cap. Truely ruined the matrix trilogy.

There are many people here who have different opinions, but I think that Neo died. Otherwise, his aliteration to Jesus wouldn't be worth shit.

Although I didn't see it while watching the movie, I've heard that the bench the Oracle is sitting on at the end reads "In memory of Thomas A. Anderson". Can any one confirm that?

thomas a. is the name of a saint and anderson is an angel i think. hmm...not realted to the bible at all...
and ur wrong the last movie wuz g-r-r-r-reat!

bossman187uk wrote:

did neo die?

The Wachowski brothers probably haven't decided this yet. It'll depend on what offers they have for further films, comics, games.

Revolutions ends with ambiguity on Neo's fate. He doesn't suffer any mortal injury in the fight with Smith, yet he's carried away as if on a bier.

Also, given that the 'Real World' is clearly just another matrix, it's entirely possible that Trinity can be revived again.

The Wachowskis have clearly, and cleverly, left the whole situation wide open.

Peter

i don't mean to sound trivial but WHY? WHY did they have to die? i cried so much when i saw that part. it's just so sad that their salvation died before anyone could thank him. neither neo or trinity could survive without the other, so she died too with three spikes plummed through her stomach. WAH! i have to hand it to the Wachowskis, they sure as hell know how to leave you with an uneasy sense of incompletion and grief at what is supposed to be the conclusion of an epic. ARGH! of COURSE i didn't expect to have every mystery of the Matrix tied up in a nice little bundle (it does represent an entire WORLD, after all) but neither did i expect to have my two favourite characters ripped away from me with only a weak consolation from the Oracle, "I'm sure [Neo] would like it, dear. And I'm sure we'll see him again one day." Who gives a fuck whether he returns in a different body (reincarnation i'm guessing is what she's implying), i guess i should have suspected when Persephone (reloaded) was talking about "such a thing is not meant to last".

In the face of all this, of course, is the simple fact it was the most tragically simple and heartbreaking conclusion they could have come up with (at least for me). You know, with practically all movies a couple of important and likeable chaps get killed off, thats how you know it's a good fillum. But having the courage to kill off the lovers who the story revolved around, thats bloody amazing i feel.

Neither could have lived without the other. As soon as Trinity died (the strongest female character, who at no point showed weakness only vitality of life) it should have been obvious Neo would die. Theirs was not the kind of love where you peacefully remember after one of the two have passed on. And so, it ends. An amazing conclusion to one of the few films I have ever seen, and would call, a masterpiece.

I've been posting this all over the forums... but...

Neo didn't die (in my opinion)...

Take the theories of how Smith died...

1) When he infected Neo, he was then directly connected to the Source and was then deleted by the machines...
So did the machines say "well, neo did his job..." and hit the delete button on him too? HECK NO!

2) When he infected Neo, Neo overpowered Smith internally (with the help of the machines, hence the surges of energy through the chords)...
Well, Neo didn't die in the 1st movie did he?

The only theory I don't have an answer to is the one about the algebreic equation, if Neo let smith infect him, then they were cancelled out... well, you stumped me... but all I can say to that is... Since when did they (especially while IN the matrix) EVER follow the rules? "some rules can be bent, others can be broken"

In order to balance the equation the "program" Smith and the "program" the One had to be deleted, not neo himself. He is still very much alive at the end but he no longer has his powers of "the One"

hmm, you reassure me (partly). thank you. i still need a reason for neo being carried off by the machines like a dead war hero though. plus, do you really think it's possible for him to survive without trinity? any thoughts on that would be welcomed, even if you are posting it everywhere else on the forum.

IM not very sure why he was being carried off but i read on some other forums that there was like a machine part of neo. HAHA Maybe the machines were so happy with him that they made him their king. HAAH DOUBLTFUL.
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As for the entire Trinity thing that was a joke. I dont undestand why she needed to die. Also, i noted that earlier in the movie it was prophisized(i cant spell) that one of Neo or Morpheus would die. BUt remember that the oracle has lied before. I also agree that if neo was alive then Trinity would be. And if she is dead what a horribly way to die i mean after the countless amounts of people she has killed they crash and by chance a pole gets stuck into her. Atleast she could have walked into a room with 600 S.W.A.T. and kill about 500 until getting shot!

if he's still alive, where are the machines taking him to?

They going to parade him around becuase he saved both worlds. Thats my best guess.
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I have a question of my own. What is the architect. A program,?

beechnuts11 wrote:

In order to balance the equation the "program" Smith and the "program" the One had to be deleted, not neo himself. He is still very much alive at the end but he no longer has his powers of "the One"

So if he's jacked back into the Matrix, is he going to be Roger Rabbit? I believe you are incorrect. Think of it mathematically. The 'One' being a '1'. The Oracle said that Smith was the Matrix's recipient to the 'One', or the opposite. Making him -1

so... 1 + (-1) = 0

Balanced

So, he has to die, in order for the equation to balance out.

genius wrote:

i don't mean to sound trivial but WHY? WHY did they have to die? i cried so much when i saw that partAn amazing conclusion to one of the few films I have ever seen, and would call, a masterpiece.

I couldn´t believe when I read your opinion. You read my mind and wrote that! I also cried when Trinity died. But I don´t think Neo is dead. What I DO think, is that they met in another world. But Neo has to come back to make peace again in other wars... so don´t worry about him. Trinity is the one who shouldn´t have died. It was very disappointing.
I haven´t seen many films in my life, and I´m not a MOVIE FAN, but I agree with you. Matrix is THE movie.
To me, it´s not only a movie. It´s a whole theory about the Universe, and I totally agree with it.
Waiting for opinions...

sure is...

SINCE WHEN DID THE MATRIX FOLLOW ANY RULES? ESPECIALLY WITH MATH AND PHYSICS? FORGET THE ALGEBREIC STUFF! Neo is alive

Everybody is taking the equation stuff way too literally. Neo is not a number. Smith is not a number. It's metaphorical.

IIRC, Neo doesn't "balance out" or "cancel out" Smith in any way; the DEM actually initiates the crazy, unexplained light that kills Smith(s). Smith is fine for several seconds after taking Neo.

beechnuts11 wrote:

He is still very much alive at the end but he no longer has his powers of "the One"

Please give support from the movie.

HolEavataR wrote:

I think that Neo died. Otherwise, his aliteration to Jesus wouldn't be worth shit.

I think you mean "allusion."

And I think it rather ruins it; Neo already died and came back in M1. I don't remember anything about Jesus dying, returning, then dying again.

Everybody keeps asking about what happened at the end of the movie when the machines carry Neo off. I agree with the "He is still alive but no longer has the powers of The One" theory. Maybe the machines were taking him to be plugged back into The Matrix.

Just a thought though....

Matt

Did anyone see that when Neo was being dragged away, his body was shown in the red aura/code vision as a brilliant light. I don't know if this supports the Neo being alive (I personally think he is dead, he'd have to be in order to successfully parallel Jesus) but I was wondering what you guys might interpret that to mean.

Somebody around here wrote the following and I believe it too...Neo died as a human being, and was reinserted in the main source as a program because of the code he carried. In fact maybe that is why the Oracle tells to Sati at the end of the movie that they shall see Neo again, as the "next anomally" of the system.

How about it

Why....Why does Neo have to be reinserted into the Matrix?

I thought the code he carried was used by the machines to counter-act the mathematical remainder inherent to the Matrix because of the problem of subconscious choice within the Matrix.
But according to the Architect they will now have conscious choice to stay-or leave the Matrix(at least for now)
So why does the code from the source need to be re-inserted again....

Just joined this discussion, have watched Revolutions twice on the big screen & got a copy off file-sharing (not saying where though so i don't get in trouble) but it seems to me as Cypher did in the 1st Matrix movie pulling the plug kills the mind, thats how they took out Smith/Neo amalgamation, the Source code may have been then transmitted back through all the other Smith imprinted programs and plugged in humans perhaps re-booting the Matrix as "The One" was supposed to do and erasing Smith. Neo's physical shell is dead but Sati & the Oracle's conversation at the end in the park gives me the impression that Neo (Thomas Anderson incarnation) may be free somewhere in the Matrix like he was at Mobil Ave at the beginning of the film.

Just joined this discussion, have watched Revolutions twice on the big screen & got a copy off file-sharing (not saying where though so i don't get in trouble) but it seems to me as Cypher did in the 1st Matrix movie pulling the plug kills the mind, thats how they took out Smith/Neo amalgamation, the Source code may have been then transmitted back through all the other Smith imprinted programs and plugged in humans perhaps re-booting the Matrix as "The One" was supposed to do and erasing Smith. Neo's physical shell is dead but Sati & the Oracle's conversation at the end in the park gives me the impression that Neo (Thomas Anderson incarnation) may be free somewhere in the Matrix like he was at Mobil Ave at the beginning of the film.