»THE SOURCE IS EVERYWHERE«

Revolutions opens with an image zooming deeper and deeper into the matrix code - at first it is green but the image zooms deeper and deeper to show the gold code.

In my opionion the gold code is not part of the matrix which has been programmed by the machines. The gold code is the fundemental fabric of space/time or energy if you will. They call it THE SOURCE but it is fundemental to both man and machine - the worlds we see (real and matrix) both "sit" on top of this source - once you can see the gold code the boundaries between a consciousness human soul and an active programme become pretty blurry.

This source is manipulated by architect and oracle together but in very different but necessary ways. The architect only wants to acheive mathematical balance - the easiest way for this to be acheived would be for a sum of zero's - perfect balance if you like - unfortunatley this would be a rather dull existense and the human population would very rapidly reject this "zero" scenario (depending how you want to look at it the human would either "wake up" from the matrix or would be dead).

Te oracles purpose is to introduce extremes, differences leading to the concept of choice - however these extremes, differnces or choices are only possible if the opposite exists in order for overall balance to be acheived - the "words" we use such as love/hate - birth/death - neo/smith....

everything is a balance between two oppostites/extremes - the functioning of the matrix itself is even a balance - the architect and the oracle themselves balance each other and balance the operation of the matrix.

We either have what we have or we have nothing. What the architect is effectively providing is the mathematics which give the rules of the "apparant susbstance around us" these rules "sit" on the gold code, but if this were it and everything were "made" of the same stuff there would appear to be nothing. The oracle provides "existence" simply by serving it in a "rich way" extremes and opposites - in order for us to know what we are we must also experience what we are not.

diemkai wrote:

Revolutions opens with an image zooming deeper and deeper into the matrix code - at first it is green but the image zooms deeper and deeper to show the gold code. In my opionion the gold code is not part of the matrix which has been programmed by the machines. The gold code is the fundemental fabric of space/time or energy if you will. They call it THE SOURCE but it is fundemental to both man and machine - the worlds we see (real and matrix) both "sit" on top of this source - once you can see the gold code the boundaries between a consciousness human soul and an active programme become pretty blurry. This source is manipulated by architect and oracle together but in very different but necessary ways. The architect only wants to acheive mathematical balance - the easiest way for this to be acheived would be for a sum of zero's - perfect balance if you like - unfortunatley this would be a rather dull existense and the human population would very rapidly reject this "zero" scenario (depending how you want to look at it the human would either "wake up" from the matrix or would be dead). Te oracles purpose is to introduce extremes, differences leading to the concept of choice - however these extremes, differnces or choices are only possible if the opposite exists in order for overall balance to be acheived - the "words" we use such as love/hate - birth/death - neo/smith.... everything is a balance between two oppostites/extremes - the functioning of the matrix itself is even a balance - the architect and the oracle themselves balance each other and balance the operation of the matrix. We either have what we have or we have nothing. What the architect is effectively providing is the mathematics which give the rules of the "apparant susbstance around us" these rules "sit" on the gold code, but if this were it and everything were "made" of the same stuff there would appear to be nothing. The oracle provides "existence" simply by serving it in a "rich way" extremes and opposites - in order for us to know what we are we must also experience what we are not.

This is the best explanation about the golden energy so far. Congratulations !

Cheers!

Something from another post got me thinking about how this fits and it seems to work well with the following:

The matrix appears to cyclical - at the end of M3 the "The Matrix" is rebooted and continues.

but....

The previous and subsequent matrix's may be totally different in design in many ways from the version in which the trilogy is set. They may differ every time depending upon the resultant "balance" between the architect and the oracle - remember the architects quote - "you played a very dangersous game" - meaning that the architect struggled to keep up with the direction the oracle "took" this version.

There may be a door choice like this in other matrix's but maybe not - maybe things are a little OR even a lot different - however, one thing would remain the same. The escalating probability of the anomoly would lead to the emergence of "the one" in some kind of form - turning over the system and kicking off the next cycle.

(One reason I like this theory is because there is infinite and justified scope here for "sequel trilogys" and I can't get enough!)

I've not been on this forum for a while - I can't find any other gold code explainations - whats the latest accepted theory? There must be one by now?

The giveaway is the Fractals that make up the gold code.

I like your explanation, but think it may be something else.

In our reality, Chaos theory introduces us to underlying structures. Very ordered structures, in fact, structured to infinity. We have discovered these fractals and are widely accepted.

In the films, our reality (the world in which we exist), is the Matrix. I feel the start of Revolutions, and the appearance of the fractals, is an attempt to explain how intricate the Matrix is.

It may also allude to the fact that humanity as we know it (in the Matrix) has discovered fractals and an underlying order. That the human race is scratching at the surface of the coding that generates the nature of reality. (Too close to home for The Architect, I'm sure!)

The orange code, as suggested on this forum, seems to be the code of the Machine World (NB: NOT the Machine City).

Ergo, the Matrix (green coding) is built upon a code already in existence, in the Machine World (where The Architect resides and the Oracle et al came from). One order built upon another.

This is my 2 quids worth and any comments or refutals (evidence please!) would be welcomed.

diemkai wrote:

This source is manipulated by architect and oracle together but in very different but necessary ways.

Not sure about this. The Architect is made from the Source, he is a program, not god, not DEM.... a program given the task of enslaving the human baterries. I can't imagine that The Architect could tamper with the source in the same way that Neo can bend the rules of the Matrix coding.

diemkai wrote:

We either have what we have or we have nothing. What the architect is effectively providing is the mathematics which give the rules of the "apparant susbstance around us" these rules "sit" on the gold code, but if this were it and everything were "made" of the same stuff there would appear to be nothing.

Agreed (90%!) He does provide the rules. The Matrix seems to sit upon the Source coding, as expected.

diemkai wrote:

The oracle provides "existence" simply by serving it in a "rich way" extremes and opposites - in order for us to know what we are we must also experience what we are not.

I disagree very strongly here!

There were 2 previous versions of the Matrix before The Oracle stumbled upon her solution. Existence in the Machine World and The Matrix was there before the Oracle. How would she have come about?

In short, I don't think The Architect and The Oracle should be placed with such grandiose stock! They are players in the game (important ones, absolutley!) but they are limited in terms of what position they hold in their World. Shit, The Oracle doesn't even reside in the Machine World!

Please let me reiterate that these are my opinions. Agree / Disagree as much as you want! At your own risk!

diemkai wrote:

They may differ every time depending upon the resultant "balance" between the architect and the oracle

Possibly, but I feel that the reason this version of the Matrix (this iteration, this One) was "filmed" and had its story told because it was different this time. There was a revolution!

mofo5131 wrote:

There were 2 previous versions of the Matrix before The Oracle stumbled upon her solution. Existence in the Machine World and The Matrix was there before the Oracle. How would she have come about?

yes there were two version but they failed becasue the architect went about his business in the only way he knows how - logically - the Oracle changed this and started introducing new things things to give choice to those in the matrix - this keeps them "happy" (debatable) well you can say it keeps them occupied.

As for how the oracle came about - thats another question - My guess is that some important things get "born/programmed" into the next version of the matrix - like Sati for example.

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In short, I don't think The Architect and The Oracle should be placed with such grandiose stock! They are players in the game (important ones, absolutley!) but they are limited in terms of what position they hold in their World. Shit, The Oracle doesn't even reside in the Machine World!

The oracle has a shell in the Matrix world - she has to in order to steer things at he cutting edge of what she does - I don't think it matters where she resides in the same way it doesnt matter where the architect resides.

Well we can agree to not agree here - I think the Architect and the Oracle provide the stage (certainly in version 6) - there are other main players - agreed - but they are on the stage.
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very good posts

strongly backed up by the imagery contained in the film

the film contains lots of symetery when showing the shots of neo and smith just before fight...the sort of fighting computer game side on view shows strong symertrical images in all three films with fight between neo and smith

reflection and mirrors are also very prevelant in m1

all these things point to the ying/yang balance and the idea of a balancing of the matrix and ultimately the anomaly

good stuff

In mobil ave we are told "everybody knows the Oracle".

I read a lot into this statement - I think that everybody knows the oracle because everybody IS the Oracle.

The first question the film asks is "what is the matrix?" - this is not really the biggest question in the film.

Neo's journey is an investigation into "who am I, and am I alone"

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Ergo, the Matrix (green coding) is built upon a code already in existence, in the Machine World (where The Architect resides and the Oracle et al came from). One order built upon another.

this suggests a "matrix within a matrix"

which is hogwash, the w-brothers said its NOT that at all.
(they told keanu reves this and he has been quoted in saying that is not.)

if NEO says so then im gonna believe him.
not to meantion its a stupid, predictable theory that EVERYONE thought of when they even heard reloaded was coming.

everyone involved in the film who were interviewd on this "poo pooed" this idea.

i think that the guy who started the post explained it pretty well.
although i think it was common knowledge. (at least for me it was)

Its easy to get confussed and think it's a matrix within a matrix.

Thats because there are some similarities in between the relationship between the gold code/"real" world and the green code/matrix world.

It is like a degraded copy, a reflection....its actually very hard to explain.

In fact I don't know if its possible to explain this relationship - you have to SEE it for yourself.

Agree diemkai.

Oracle is the program that personifies the spirit of self enquiry, the truth, with 'know thyself' plaque on her door. Everyone, in one way or the other, interacts and encounters with this pursuits of self enquiry. Hence everyone knows Oracle. Seraph is the alertness to protect this spirit of diving into truth. Sati is the joy, the connection love/truth represents. Truth, alertness and Joy are the trinity, as described by a Sanskrit word 'Satchidananda' . This trinity is the manifestation of divinity in all of us (inside matrix). This divinity is inside us as well as outside of us, but when trinity is impaled inside us (inside matrix), it is the time to give this matrix a new revolution and re-instate Oracle (truth), Seraph (wakefulness) and Sati (joy) back, as in M3. This is effected by journey of the One. The journey as the Sanskrit Chant in the end says
>from being trapped in ignorance to being aware of reality (m1),
>from being powerless to being enlightened and with connection to Source (m2)
>from being in grips of duality and death to being liberated and at peace (m3)

Raksasha69 wrote:

Quote: Ergo, the Matrix (green coding) is built upon a code already in existence, in the Machine World (where The Architect resides and the Oracle et al came from). One order built upon another. this suggests a "matrix within a matrix" which is hogwash, the w-brothers said its NOT that at all. (they told keanu reves this and he has been quoted in saying that is not.)

I'm not sure how that suggests a matrix within a matrix, as I'm suggesting the Gold Code represents the coding of programs and the machine world et al.

In turn, the gold coded realm "gave birth" to the Green Coded Matrix. (I'm pretty sure the machines developed the Matrix... )

So....gold code thingy developed green code thingy....how is that a Matrix within a Matrix?

I didn't intend to suggest that and my apologies if it came across that way. I'm firmly against the MWAM theory, and rightly so.

If you can find any arguments against "gold code thingy developed green code thingy" please point them out....apparently a good theory can be proved wrong...

Its not a matrix within a matrix.

The gold code is similar to the green code in the way that is carried the rules of the system.

However there is one important difference that I beleive is implied:

The real world / Zion etc are not a simulation but the gold code is the the representation of the fabric of spacetime. The building blocks in our world can be analysed and split into a smaller and smaller scale i.e. molecules, atoms, protons, nuetrons, electrons then quarks and ultimately perhaps just energy? In essence this is what i think the gold code is showing.

diemkai wrote:

Its not a matrix within a matrix.

I know.

diemkai wrote:

The gold code is similar to the green code in the way that is carried the rules of the system.

Agreed!

diemkai wrote:

However there is one important difference that I beleive is implied: The real world / Zion etc are not a simulation but the gold code is the the representation of the fabric of spacetime. The building blocks in our world can be analysed and split into a smaller and smaller scale i.e. molecules, atoms, protons, nuetrons, electrons then quarks and ultimately perhaps just energy? In essence this is what i think the gold code is showing.

What aspects of the Real World are gold coded?

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What aspects of the Real World are gold coded?
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Everything.


The real world must also be based on fundemental rules. In the same way that our real world is made from elementary particles and ultimately energy.

What people seem to get confussed with is why Neo doesnt see everything is glowing bright gold all of the time. This doesn't bother me - we know the air around us made up from elementary particles but we can't see it because they are not dense enough.

diemkai wrote:

[qoute] What aspects of the Real World are gold coded?

Everything.

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FALSE. Not everything in the real world is gold coded. Only the Machines or something descending from the machines have the gold code. Neo did not have it untill he died at the VERY end. When they show him walking to the Source, he looks completely normal, but the Machine world around him is gold. Smith was gold in the real world because he was a descendant of the Machine world. No ships or anything in Zion was gold. There is more meaning etc. etc. but that is the basic idea...

Sorry but I have to disagree.

Unfortunately it is difficult to prove either way... this is because Neo only gains his full sight near the end of M3 when he is in the machine city.

I know you will try and criticse the statement above by asking what I mean by "gains his full sight" but I strongly beleive that by the end of M3 neo can "see" an underlying order to things in the real world.

We won't settle this because the movies don't take it far enough but the threads are all there and the theory I enjoy is consistent and stacks up with observation.

diemkai wrote:

Sorry but I have to disagree. Unfortunately it is difficult to prove either way... this is because Neo only gains his full sight near the end of M3 when he is in the machine city. I know you will try and criticse the statement above by asking what I mean by "gains his full sight" but I strongly beleive that by the end of M3 neo can "see" an underlying order to things in the real world. We won't settle this because the movies don't take it far enough but the threads are all there and the theory I enjoy is consistent and stacks up with observation.

Fine.
Disagree.
I'll continue to believe you're wrong and we can co-exist peacefully.

There is no evidence in the movies to suggest the Gold Code makes up the underlying order of reality. The only evidence of Gold Code is in relation to the machines, the machine city and the programs. IT IS THE CODE OF THE MACHINES, not reality.

You say it is difficult to prove your theory, but it's not so hard to disprove it, as we already have, based on evidence from the main source of information; The Movies.

diemkai wrote:

The real world / Zion etc are not a simulation but the gold code is the the representation of the fabric of spacetime. The building blocks in our world can be analysed and split into a smaller and smaller scale i.e. molecules, atoms, protons, nuetrons, electrons then quarks and ultimately perhaps just energy? In essence this is what i think the gold code is showing.

This is a good theory, but it is one that I can't agree with. I feel that you are over-analyzing this particular situation within Revolutions.

IMO, the gold represents the The System/01 and those external entities which are connected to it. Bottom-line... the gold represents The Machines, inside and outside.

That explaination maybe a very simple one, but it's what I feel to be true. Evidence within Revolutions is that Neo didn't "see" or "feel" anything while flying in the tunnels. He "saw" and "felt" once he and Trin were flying over the fields.

WitM

Apocryphe wrote:

None seems to notice that in beginning of Revolutions, we go deep in the code but just go "up" of one level and then we are into a green code ! What does it mean ? Th code was yellow and, when we come back it is green. Well, it is simply the main characteristic of fractals : the way they look depends on the level of wich you observe it. Being yellow or green is just a relative thing, question of point of view(er)

You have not understood what I have tried to ask. The difference in colour is not to do with on which level you observe it. The gold and the green are fundementally different.

The green code, as we know for sure is a simulation - and can be looked upon as degraded copy or reflection of the real world. I just take this a step further on (which I am often reminded is not particularly explicit in the movies) and say that if the simulation of the real world is made from something with code and our real world has something (physical rules) which is "our" code then the real world in the matrix would also have a code.

I don't find any comfort in the arguements that the gold is "JUST" machine code. The gold and real world rules seem to fit together as one and the same thing to complete an otherwise unbalanced equation.

A few thoughts:

At once when I saw the yellow/orange/golden code in the beginning of M3, I knew it was an important hint, to say the least

But I have until now taken a middle-ground between "machine-world-energy" and "fabric-of-reality-code". I can imagine that the Machines in their unstoppable intelligence have created their own artificial fabric-of-reality-energy-code in which their software (and maybe even hardware) can develop (evolution-wise), communicate, and maybe even "live out their lives" like the humans do in the matrix.

(The gold is probably intended to be both code and energy which is the situation in physics, especially quantum physics, where "everything" is both wave and particle, energy quantumized)

I agree that this green/gold-theory is definitely not, in spirit, a matrix-in-a-matrix theory, even if it might artificially have the same outer appearance. In any respect, I think this green/gold-theory should be taken in its own right without having to be mixed up with the matrix-in-a-matrix theories.

So my intrepretation:
golden code-energy: Artificial Reality-Fabric
green code: Artificial Life based on some kind of artificial consciousness and genetic code

(The "matrix" in the book Simulacra & Simulation is seen as "genetic")


All of this can just be hum-bug, but it can also be something Big!

(I just thought of the words of Morpheus "Welcome to the desert of the real" in M1 which might have bearing here, but I'll see what you guys say first to the above... )

I can see how your thoughts, dimkei, would really fit with the story-line and Neo's quest, if the golden code-energy really is **reality**

A suggestion which lies between yours and mine interpretations: maybe the Machines found out how to tap into the vast resources of the quantum vacuum (a dream of every physicist): from there you would probably get both energy and the laws of science, which could be used for the laws of the Machines' own universe?

So new suggestion: golden code-energy = tapped quantum vacuum used by the Machines for their own device.


But one thing the Machines might not be able to retrieve from the quantum vacuum for their evolution is the kind of emotion we find between Neo and Trinity.


One acid test in this query is if any particular theory can explain the scene where the sentinel (shown in golden energy) flies **through** Neo (and the ship) and Trinity right afterwards catches Neo's hand and says "Gotcha!" (as if he was on his way into another level of reality, like when ending up in Mobil?)

Any good ideas? Any physicists at these boards?

What is the Matrix wrote:

IMO, the gold represents the The System/01 and those external entities which are connected to it. Bottom-line... the gold represents The Machines, inside and outside.

I agree with you.

I think the gold code represents a network, in which are all the machines connected. Something like an internet. Just replace individual computers by different kinds of machines, give it a feedback (the machines-programmes controll their physical shell, unlike the computers today) and scale it up.

I think the machines, like sentinels, are very dependent on AI(s), running on hardware in Machine City, and presumably living in a kind of environment like matrix -- in Machine World. Just note that this environment is probably quite different from matrix. I am imaginig it much like a discussion forum for AIs .

So, I treat the golden code like a common operating system -- like BIOS -- because it deals with hardware. The strange thing to imagine is that it is the OS of all the machines' hardware (sentinels, towers at which run AIs). It is the connection between machines' mind (AIs) and machines' body - all the machines we see.

What Neo done was that he operated the code that was flowing within this network - changed the command that went to sentinels, bombs etc. It was like a remote controll of your computer. Computer do not care who operates it, just do what the user says (he is identified by name & password). The same with sentinel. Neo send them the autodestruction commands.

This implies Neo is connected to the (mostly wireless) network too. Presumably by his backbone plug. It is also piece of machines' hardware and we may assume its architecture is similar to other machines and can be operated by the same OS -- golden code. Neo probably hacked his backbone and use it for broadcasting of his commands to other pieces of machines' network.

zynxamek wrote:

maybe the Machines found out how to tap into the vast resources of the quantum vacuum (a dream of every physicist): from there you would probably get both energy and the laws of science, which could be used for the laws of the Machines' own universe?

Ehm ... sounds nice, but why then the machines would need the humans as a source of energy? It is suggested that tapping the vacuum would release much bigger energy than the known nuclear reactions do.

There are opinions here that humans are also a source of ideas - machines learn from humans - or that machines don't want to kill their creators, they just keep them happy within matrix (as we have seen in Second Ranaissance, people started the war with machines).

About the sentinel. It could be explained in the light of my theory like this: What we saw was that some piece of golden code went through Neo, not the physical sentinel. So, it could be the code that hacked Neo's backbone (the thing through which Neo access machine's network) and disabled broadcasting of his deadly commands. That attack could be something like a spammers attack on certain servers - flooding it with requests that causes the server to 'freeze'.

Too long post ... Sorry for that.

btw. zynxamek, welcome to Matrix explained ... good posts right from beginning, provokes discussion