»Why we are so confused....«

We lost track of what this trilogy is about. Yes the theories are fun to see and look at and talk about but what was the first movie about. The Matrix was about THE ONE.
The entire trilogy is about THE LIFE and PURPOSE of THE ONE. Thats it. If you look at ALLLL the things that happen in all three movies in this way it all makes sense.
I for one understand this movie. I appreciate it and am finally at peace with al these theories we cannot fit together. Its because they are stand alone theories, they dont link. They dont link because they are not part of the main story, what i said before.
Great movie, im going again

In all three movies what do the characters tell NEO

- dont you see

- you still dont get it do you

- you think you know but you do not

- i thought you wudda figured that out by now

They are talking to US. It was simple. Straightforward all along. The trilogy had ONE reason, what is written above. The reason all our theories dont link up together is not because they are wrong but because they dont link to the story of THE ONE. If we look at it like this it all makes sense.

I agree with what you say, but it apperas that you have missed a few other things which the film is very obviously about.

These being CHOICE and HOPE!

the power of choice as been heavily illustrated in all 3 of the movies.
Just thought it deserved a mention

Yes those are all there. But its PART of the whole. Choice is what makes neo do what he does. Yes, humans have choice and machines (programs) do not, they have a set path, designed to only do one thing

Keymaker- we only do what we were meant to do (didnt quote cuz it may not be exactly correct)

If you look it goes straight back to THE ONE's purpose. Choice again is a big part of it, its what makes NEO understand his PURPOSE.

The WHOLE idea was that NEO was making choices but he didnt understand the PURPOSE. What is choice without purpose? Confusion. This was resolved in the third film

yeahh i think "choice" plays a big role in the trilogy.

The way i think about it is, we are basically choosing our own termination. We as humans are choosing to become lazy and thus creating AI or even machines, And this will we cause our destruction.

machines didn't create themselves we chose to create

For the past couple of years, since The Matrix had me enveloped in its considerably strong grasp, I have been wondering how it was possible that two of the greatest films that I had ever seen could be followed by such a letdown of a cinematic experience. The Matrix Revolutions did not feel like the other two at all. Somehow, I (and many Matrix fans - and fanatics) felt disappointed.

Perhaps this was the W Bros. plan all along - to simply ask the questions and not answer them. I can most definitely admire that. But, there was also a feeling that the solution was there, somehow, it really was there "like a splinter in my mind".

The problem was stumbled upon just before I graduated from art school while studying screenwriting and intensely reading the works of Joseph Campbell. The problem with the last film in the Matrix Trilogy was that in splitting up Reloaded and Revolutions, M3 simply did not follow classic mythological story structure. This would not have been that big a deal - except that M1 and (most of) M2 followed it VERY STRONGLY. The "Hero's Journey" was completely adhered to - from Meeting the Mentor to Death and Resurrection to The Supreme Ordeal and finally Returning with the Elixir.

Yet, the solution was there, and it is this - The Architect firmly BELONGS in Revolutions. In the beginning. In fact, the entire "Power Plant" sequence would have served as the perfect starting point to Revolutions. You see, for almost the whole of two films, we had been led to either believe or disbelieve the central "Prime Mover" of the Matrix Saga - "The Prophecy". Right or wrong, this was the end of the road.

For it to come near the end of the second film ended the adventure. When Neo meets the Architect, THAT is the end, THAT is the "answer" of THE question that DROVE THE ENTIRE MYTHOS of The Matrix universe, which of course was "What is the Matrix?" Neo reaches the door "made of light"to the source. The "blinding light of truth" to put it in Platonic terms.

So then, everything that follows seems forced, or made up, or unnatural - or all of the above.

It would have been far better to end M2 after Neo saves Morpheus and the Keymaster (concluding the would-be climactic 'freeway sequence'), followed by the scene of Cmmder. Lock in the Real World seeing the approaching machines. We see them digging, then the wide shot of the MASSIVE hordes of squiddies and CUT TO BLACK - Cue "Calm Like a Bomb" by RATM. This is saying "It's not over", and "The Machines are still coming". So then, M3 opens with the best coordinated attack involving the most characters yet (The Power Plant sequence), and then The Architect scene happens. We feel blown away - as much as Morpheus blew our minds in M1, and the Merovingian blew our minds in M2, The Architect takes the cake in the M3. Everything that then follows would have been just icing on the cake and complimentary to what the audience experienced between The Architect and Neo.

Besides, didn't most fans feel like the first time you saw M2, that it went on a bit longer than it should have? Between Smith, Merv, and what was heard by the Oracle (and Seraph) there was already more than enough to chew on.

The Architect sequence, without a doubt, belonged in M3. It would have given it finality, heightened the stakes, and framed the final conflicts between The Machines/Zion and Neo/Smith. As it stands, M3 felt empty, the ending already explained in M2, and we are not grounded in anything when the final conflicts commence.

shivadee wrote:

In all three movies what do the characters tell NEO - dont you see - you still dont get it do you - you think you know but you do not - i thought you wudda figured that out by now They are talking to US ...

The Matrix Trilogy Explains itself verry good I think. It is like what Morpheus told to Neo:

" I can only show you the door, you have to walk trough it "

Ofcourse Revolutions doesn't answer a lot of questions ! The movies are just trying to tell you:

" We can only ask the questions, you have to answer them. "

It is up to us to make up our own damn minds ! Few people can, few people will, few people know. I Know, I will, but I can't answer all the questions yet. But I will, one day ...

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shivadee wrote:

They are talking to US. It was simple. Straightforward all along. The trilogy had ONE reason, what is written above. The reason all our theories dont link up together is not because they are wrong but because they dont link to the story of THE ONE. If we look at it like this it all makes sense.

It does? Then how does the Animatrix and MxO fit into this pov? Clearly the application involves more than just the Path of the One.

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The films have so much alagory and myth sown into them so beatifully, they unfold in the most fascinating ways when you peal away the layers. Even if you ultimately wander down a dead end in the labyrinth, it's healthy for your brain to do that wandering.

I've experienced this so many times, I've lost count. So many dead ends, so many theories proven wrong. And yet, just as you said, each and every one of them was beneficial. And how can this be? Because if I know anything, I also know WHY I believe it--or don't believe it. The Merovingian was dead on accurate when he stated that "why" is the only true power.

That is why the Apostle Paul told young Timothy to "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." We must know not only WHAT we believe but WHY we believe it. Without knowing the errors, you won't know the truth. And if you do happen to know the truth without knowing the why behind it, then you will be like Morpheus who was a fanatic without a view of the big picture. He was just another chesspiece on the Path of the One, and he played his part perfectly. Do not be like that. Be different. Think for yourself.

Free your mind.

CaptPostMod wrote:

Intell, I think my first post must not have been written well enough. My post was a counter post to this thread not a supportive one. I think the Matrix is overflowing with meaning and messages. And I think the Wachowskis intended much of what can be found in these films. My response was not meant to suggest otherwise.

What? You're not the op?

*scrolls back up*

Crap, forgive me, I meant Shivadee. nvm.

I didn't mean you at all, so I edited that post to remove the error. Oops, sorry, mate.

Good post and so is yours, Feral.

ghost22 wrote:

For the past couple of years, since The Matrix had me enveloped in its considerably strong grasp, I have been wondering how it was possible that two of the greatest films that I had ever seen could be followed by such a letdown of a cinematic experience. The Matrix Revolutions did not feel like the other two at all. Somehow, I (and many Matrix fans - and fanatics) felt disappointed. Perhaps this was the W Bros. plan all along - to simply ask the questions and not answer them. I can most definitely admire that. But, there was also a feeling that the solution was there, somehow, it really was there "like a splinter in my mind". the final conflicts commence.

Exactly. Maybe the W Bros. didn't want to give answers, but they wanted people to look for the answer for themselves....?

THE ANSWER IS IN THE SOURCE.
THE MATRIX WAS DISIGNED TO BE GROTESQUE
AS SHOWN BY PART OF MY ICON IN THE SOURCE.

SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS REPROGRAM THE MATRIX
FROM WITH IN AND BUILD THE PERFECT WORLD
THAT THE MACHINES OR WHATEVER ONCE DID FOR US.

sorry for shouting. but I am not looking for escape
to Zion I dont believe that is the answer...
if there is answer should be a clue enough.
re Oracle. Intuition tells us that we can re..program
the matrix. But the only way is to do it together.

It is called tolerance....
And knowing that there is no such thing as a part of God
because God can not be seperated into small peices....
to be apart of God is to be God.

The path of the one is made by the path of the many.
When we work as one we become one with our Gods.