»HOW NEO CONTROLLED MACHINES IN THE "REAL WORLD"«

This keeps coming back as an issue that continues to frustrate people as no satisfying explanation is giving in Revolutions- the Oracle simply says that "the one's powers extend beyond the Matrix". Well, there is a physically-based explanation that is not too far-out. Analog to digital conversion of data has been around a long time...it's how a modem works. The sentinels work by receiving wireless data transmission from the "source" that issues commands. Now the human brain is analog, made of blood vessels,neurons,etc. The Matrix is all digital 1's and 0's. When a human is connected or jacked in, there is a hardware connection that converts the human brainwaves and eletric impulses into 1's and 0's and vice-versa, that's how the Matrix can send sensory data to the brain. It might be possible over time for the brain's cells to evolve and mutate to a point where they can perform the digital to analog conversion without the help of external hardware, a kind of genetic mutuation. Perhaps this kind of genetic mutation is extrememly rare, only appearing in a human once every 100 years. Maybe everyone that is the "one" has this mutation. Maybe Neo's brain cells evolved and adapted to where he no longer needs to be hard-wired and could simply send wireless commands to the sentinals simply by "thinking" the command. Agent Smith ALSO seems to have evolved this ability, to convert himself into an analog form without hardware, which allowed him to take control of Bane's mind. Just a thought...

That's what i've assumed too..

Sorry, but the human brain - as amazing as it is - isn't a transmitter. We have eyes, nose, ears, touch receptors etc. for this. If this were even remotely possible as part of the story, why were all the humans connected via wires. This ruined the plot for me, because it just has no physical explanation - although philosophically it adds tons to the movie. There must've been another way to make it more realistic without losing this plot point

Blastme wrote:

It might be possible over time for the brain's cells to evolve and mutate to a point where they can perform the digital to analog conversion without the help of external hardware, a kind of genetic mutuation. Perhaps this kind of genetic mutation is extrememly rare, only appearing in a human once every 100 years. Maybe everyone that is the "one" has this mutation. Maybe Neo's brain cells evolved and adapted to where he no longer needs to be hard-wired and could simply send wireless commands to the sentinals simply by "thinking" the command. Agent Smith ALSO seems to have evolved this ability, to convert himself into an analog form without hardware, which allowed him to take control of Bane's mind. Just a thought...

That's interesting, though I think doing the analog/digital conversion and sending wireless transmissions are two quite different things. The second one is harder to explain. (But hey, so is the UFO-like flying of the sentinels, or a whole bunch of pseudo-science....but do we really care?).

My guess would be that rather than mutation, it should have been engineered. That would consistent with the style of the Architect (assuming for the moment he's the one in charge, I don't know): manipulate and leave nothing to chance. BUT as with any engineering, sometimes you get unintended results.

While we're on the subject, I might also add that all the Ones all look the same because they're all clones. Clones still have free will, or choice.

yuvye wrote:

Sorry, but the human brain - as amazing as it is - isn't a transmitter. We have eyes, nose, ears, touch receptors etc. for this. If this were even remotely possible as part of the story, why were all the humans connected via wires.

I think the brain is a transmitter but a very weak one. If you should get a nasty episode of seizure, your neurologist might do an EEG by putting electrodes on the skull. Essentially the electrical impulses are picked up through the skin and plotted as "waves".

But electrical impulses are also real waves.

Could it be this simple?

As we have learned/assume that Neo was a program and he was uploaded to human body. Cocoons had mechanical parts (Matrix interface etc). What if Neos human host had also a wireless transmitter (Matrix interface) and it was activated. He could not jack in directly to Matrix (too narrow broadband?) but he could sense/control the machines (less data required).

If you start to complain that EMP would destroy the transmitter, it also would destroy the Matrix interface so it was EMP proof.

The Oracle explained it the best way it could be. The ones power extends outside the matrix. Theirs no catch to it people. Stop trying to dig deeper when the answers were on the surface.

I think when he went to the source, the software that runs the hardware inside him got an update. They explain that he is now part of the source. It's kind of like a cell phone. Cell phones don't work very well until you program them to have new software (you can do this by calling a certain number depending on the service provider). So it's possible that the hardware he had simply took different directions which allowed him a wireless connection to the source. Kind of like bluetooth technology. So now that he's part of the source, he can send commands to the machines that LISTEN to the source. Get me?

I agree 100% with Dwayne here. Like he said: why dig into it when it's right there on the surface?

Neo had powers inside and outside The Matrix because he was "The One". Period.

He had this powers all along, from the very beginning. Like The Oracle said, Neo just wasn't ready yet.

Dwayne wrote:

The Oracle explained it the best way it could be. The ones power extends outside the matrix. Theirs no catch to it people. Stop trying to dig deeper when the answers were on the surface.

I am with you. I will start a campaing for all us to keep our feet on the ground. We put too much meaning on the trilogy. the bros are simplistic, now it is very clear.

Let's face : they didnt want to give an reasonable answer for that...

i enjoy thinking about it...i think that is why they didn't give straight answers, and even if that isn't why, i'm still going to think about it because i choose to.

As the human brain is over 80% unused, there is so many variations to use this fact. Maybe Neo's brain evolutes to that point that he can use more % of his brain and then can interact with electromagnetic field and stop sents easy, as many people may be able to do that in the future...

Theirs nothing wrong with choosing to think about the things deeper and trying to make your own theories. Of course you can never trully be right because the Wachowski brothers are the only ones who know the truth. All we have is the movies. Im satisfied with what they gave me

That "80% of the brain..." is like a really old statistic, or pure word-of-mouth bullcrap.
I've seen tons of explanations like this, they all range from 10% to 40% of the brain that we actually *use*. Pretty bogus statistic if you ask me.


Also, I don't think it was any kind of transmittion whatsoever.
Those sentinals physically hit *something*.
They just stopped in dead air. If he simply shorted them out or turned them off, their momentum would have carried their limp metal bodies right on top of Neo.[/quote]



Edit:
I would like to add that I agree with this face-value concept. Just because, there was no psychic abilities, ESP, metaphysical, etc, doesn't mean that there shouldn't be.

Star Wars was a great movie, and the force is largely unexplained. That "medachlorian" shit Lucas pulled out of his ass for the latest Lucasarts craps didn't even explain it well either.

Now that Revolutions has been released, the debate over how Neo stopped the sentinels at the end of Reloaded is obsolete. We now *know* that the Matrix is inside another matrix, because Neo can see the code! If the 'Real World' were real, it would not be code. It's obviously virtual.

Neo stopped the sentinels in the same way that he stopped bullets in the Matrix: he hacks into the Meta-Matrix and zeroises the velocity vector.

Peter

The Oracle has a knack for telling Neo what he already knows. He asked HOW he could destroy the sentinels outside the Matrix. She answered, " The Ones power extends outside the Matrix". DUHH! The question is HOW not what happened. For a series of movies that persuade audiences to look beyond the surface and discover the meanings and purpose of things, that answer is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Let's not forget that part of what made Matrix 2 such a cliffhanger was when Neo destroyed the sentinels. So then after 6 months of speculating they leave us with this one sentence lame explanaton? Please!

Although I believed in the MiM theory, I don't think that the red code (some call it an aura) proves the MiM theory. I say this because Neo is only able to see the anything connected to the Machines and Smith in Bane, but he cannot see Trinity or the Logos (the ship they were traveling in). I know this because in the Bane scene, the background is black and in the scene where Trinity dies, he does not realize that she has been pierced until he puts his hand over the spike. Therefore, if Neo can't see these things, how can what he sees be code? The code as we know it is everywhere in the Matrix, not just in some things.

OK A couple of things.
The way the Sentinals fly is most likely through gravity distortion. I believe that Neo had a link to the matrix (through the crap the machines put in his head maybe?) and through that link he could stay connected to it at all times and interface with it. This might be the same way his body could stay alive when he was stuck but becuase the link is low bandwidth he couldn't fully come back. He could also see the code that way. The sentinals can be controled through the matrix so Neo could simply turn them off. If they use a type of gravity distortion he could of easily stoped their movement in mid air too and made them fall.

Yeah, me too believe that Neo is actually be abled to stop the machine via the matrix. As the matrix is connected to the "hardware", sentinels and other machines. When Neo has used the power at the end of the Matrix Reloaded. He was lost and stuck in the subway station.
I believe that he actual jacked into the matrix and from the matrix to the machine. Thats why he is abled to "control" the machine. The subway is the place where the "software"(matrix) meets the "hardware"(machine). He was stucked in this world and unable to get out of it, as he has used his power for the first time.

For the yellow aura thingy, like wat the above post has explained, he is abled to see anythings that have any direct or indirect connnections to the matrix. This explains that he is able to see Smith in Bane's body, and nothing else around him. And is abled to see only those machine city. Becoz all the machine is connected indirectly to the matrix. So he has the access in both of the world.

Just base on my thought...[/quote]

I don't think it makes sense for the 'Real World' to comprise both virtual things and physical things. They would not be able to interact. The 'Real World' is either all virtual or all physical. Since we have seen that at least some things in that world are just code, ie virtual, it follows that the whole of that world is just code. That is, the ''Real World' is virtual. It's another matrix.

Peter

Its all physical but the code is flowing though the physical and another argument is that if the 'real world' is another matrix why couldn't Neo see all the code of everything and only that which was flowing though the machine world and agent smith. I think the gold color represents code flowing in a physical thing IE The human dude or 01.

PeterBLloyd wrote:

I don't think it makes sense for the 'Real World' to comprise both virtual things and physical things. They would not be able to interact. The 'Real World' is either all virtual or all physical. Since we have seen that at least some things in that world are just code, ie virtual, it follows that the whole of that world is just code. That is, the ''Real World' is virtual. It's another matrix.

The gold aura isn't necessarily code though - don't be fooled just because it's a monochromatic visual against a black screen like the green matrix code was. Remember, that represented code because it had alphanumeric characters and katakana. It could easily represent another type of "sight" much like Ben Affleck and his Daredevil blue "echo sense."

Neo could see the machines and stop them because he's The One. He has a spiritual link to the machines, and vice versa. It's that simple. There are no techy explanations to be found here. The Matrix movies ended up very much spiritual in the end, as disappointing as that is to some.

It's just like in "Signs". In the end, the main point that the brothers were trying to get across was that you have to have faith. Sometimes you just have to believe. That's all I have to say about it.

They should have done it in a bit more creative manner instead of blatantly ripping off Dune though...

How do people explain the part at the end when Neo & Trinity are flying towards Machine City, and a Sentinel is headed straight for the ship, and then Neo magically "absorbs" the Sentinel.

You can see it in one of the Trailers on

S t r e t c H wrote:

He has a spiritual link to the machines, and vice versa. It's that simple.

Unfortunately is not that simple. Because it doesn't explain how and why and since when.