»no better way to put it - THE MATRIX IS THE STORY OF CHRIST«

not saying that the wachowski bros. are christians but come on, open a bible and its so OBVIOUS

1."neo"
means 'new'
this name was given to the main character b/c it's flat-out a new way to tell the story of jesus

2. "smith" -
The Hebrews were not permitted by the Philistines in the days of Samuel to have
a smith amongst them, lest they should make them swords and spears (1 Sam.
13:19). Thus the Philistines sought to make their conquest permanent (comp. 2
Kings 24:16).

3. AGENT SMITH IS THE DEVIL! When he copied himself, it was the mark of the beast

4. "Zion" - a biblical city, the city of King David

5. "Trinity"- the 3 forms of God, the father, the son, and the holy spirit; Mary Magdaline ?

6. in the matrix reloaded, at neo's arrival, gifts were offered from zion citizens, just like JESUS was offered gifts by followers

7. Morpheus - John the Baptist... believer of christ who baptized and prepared way for jesus

8. the S&M clubs - jesus actually hung out with prostitutes

9. the ORACLE- A person, such as a priestess, through whom a deity is held to respond when consulted; A command or revelation from God;
The oracle was supposed to be an angel.

In Revolutions, she disguised herself. So did angels in the bible

10. Cypher - the traitor in the first matrix - Judas

11. phone calls - jesus recieved message in desert from buring bush

12. NEO DIES AND COMES BACK TO LIFE IN 72 SECONDS
Jesus rises from death in 72 hours = 3 days

13. "ANDERSON" means 'son of man'; jesus refered to himself as 'son of man'

**14. MOST DEFINITE SIGN THAT NEO IS 'NEW JESUS'
after entering matrix to fight agent smith (devil), neo sacrifices himself and dies with hands spread and a CROSS FIGURE APPEARS!


Maybe the Wachowski bros werent christians, but they were definately messengers of God's word.... and no, im not a devout christian, but i know that this is definately a sign from God

neo was told by the architect that he was the 6th or something like that... well no, neo was the FIRST. why? well the others were imposters, which are warned about in the bible. because of neo's decision in reloaded, it showed that neo was different and really the one

.... and dont bother trying to argue with me cuz im not listening!

Jesus was the son of God - or in essence God in form of man (Christianity). He was sinless and performed great miracles... He never used a weapon or raised his fists OR shacked up a woman. God is the purity of good and perfection. What is more Godly?: A poor hungry child OR a rich man? A lamb or a Tiger? Peace or War? Abstinence or Sex?

Jesus was beyond genius - just look at how his words have impacted our world for 2000+ years? No other man with a greater Army or Civilization with more infleuence has done the same. He had answers for any question that was posed to him...

Neo (besides being a MOVIE character) seems beyond DUMB... know's nothing except "WHOA! WHOA DUDE! DUUUuuuDE!" Shags Trinity like a MINX... fights just about everything he comes into contact with - The Messiah is supposed to be God (perfection) in form of man - Neo is as Human as you can get.... I can agree that he could have been considered a "Prophet" or something - Moses did great things, but he was still just a man.... but the Messiah he is not.

Have you ever wondered what Jesus was like as a teenager? All the bible addresses is when he was born and then skips ahead to what he was like as an adult. Neo was much more messiah-like after he decided to go to 01. He didn't know what his role was in the first one, in the second one, he had to grow into the power, and in the third one he accepted what he had to do. Maybe it just stated what the bible was afraid to.

Nice comparison. Except for the violence and the self-doubting, I'd say this is very much a Christian allegory with elements of Buddhist metaphysics thrown in. (Well, I haven't said anything new, have I.)

Neo used weapons against machines, not other humans. And the God I believe in would not consider the love shared between Neo and Trinity to be "shacking up", and he certainly wouldn't consider it a sin. And as far as Jesus raising his fists, in my book, tearing apart the temple marketplace counts. I don't recall Neo raising his fists to anything but programs. In my opinion being Godly is simply a relentless pursuit of truth. Whatever path that leads to that truth, be it "sin" or "holiness", has God's blessing and vigelence.

Some of the ways Jesus' words have impacted the world were probably not ways he intended. In the last 2000 years Christianity has been the driving force behind more death and persecution than any other institution.

Well, I beleive that Jesus was human, just as you or I. I think that he, like Neo, simply understood more, imagined more, believed more. Jesus Christ fought in a way that was fitting for his place in that society and his evolution as the One. Neo did the same, but he had evolved further, to experience that singular, focused love for Trinity. He was also fighting an enemy that was not operating under military dictatorship or zealous theocracy, but rather control of the mind and body. Cleary his situation called on something other than turning water into wine or walking on water.

Jesus wrote:

Have you ever wondered what Jesus was like as a teenager? All the bible addresses is when he was born and then skips ahead to what he was like as an adult. Neo was much more messiah-like after he decided to go to 01. He didn't know what his role was in the first one, in the second one, he had to grow into the power, and in the third one he accepted what he had to do. Maybe it just stated what the bible was afraid to.

True much of Jesus' childhood was not documented - but from Birth to 12years of age he was not an ordinary child (as documented) his love for life, God and religion - he also preached to elders in the Synagoge when he was very young. I would assume that Jesus was the same as a teenager he was as an adult and child - sinless.

I don't think Jesus had much love for religion. I think he saw it for what it was: some humans' way of wielding power over others. I think he loved the spirituality that religion addressed, but not the insipid ways it was warped by those who held power.

Can we not turn this into a religion thread? Deus Ex, you said that his childhood was not well documented, but you gave an example of birth to 12 years of age. One source is not well documented. I don't care how much truth there is to it, one source is not well documented. Well documented would be hundreds or thousands of articles etc saying exactly the same thing. Ok, done with everything relgious now, kthxbye

I always had a problem with believing that Judas was a sinner and damned to hell. If Christ's betrayal and sacrafice were destined, then God is eternally punishing Judas for something in which he had no choice. If this is true, how can God be good? Maybe Judas knew what was needed to be done for Man's salvation (Jesus told him?), and he did what was needed by his own choice. Or he was simply a destined puppet. Or Judas was evil, Jesus died, and the rest of the story was made up. Evil or not, Judas contributed to Man's (so-called) Salvation.

Also, the Architect may be frustrated with the fact that it cannot ever make the matrix operate perfectly. It has to come to grip with the fact that what makes machines or any being "intelligent" is the ability to make mistakes, contemplate the mistakes and problems, and attempt to correct all on its own volition. Its own mistakes are frustrating because it (the Architect/Matrix) cannot attain perfection, thus it is reminded that it is suffering the same pitfalls as man. Similiarly, the HAL 2000 gained emotion/human intelligence (exhibited by its fear of death) after committing an error.

Bianca wrote:

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not saying that the wachowski bros. are christians but come on, open a bible and its so OBVIOUS

Yes there are similarities to the Christian Tale, but the christian Faith is the amalgamation of ancient beliefs from Egypt, Sumaria,Babylonian and the Pagan belief system.
There is also much more than just the 'past' incorporated in the films, there is a message for the here and now and also the future...

Kozmic wrote:

I always had a problem with believing that Judas was a sinner and damned to hell. If Christ's betrayal and sacrafice were destined, then God is eternally punishing Judas for something in which he had no choice. If this is true, how can God be good? Maybe Judas knew what was needed to be done for Man's salvation (Jesus told him?), and he did what was needed by his own choice. Or he was simply a destined puppet. Or Judas was evil, Jesus died, and the rest of the story was made up. Evil or not, Judas contributed to Man's (so-called) Salvation. .

Negative. God created man with choice. Every man was born with a purpose, but the devil tempts to seek and destroy and tear away from the divine plan of God. Now, God is omniscient and already knew Judas' choice he would make. It had already been revealed, prophecied if you will, to Jesus. That's why he told the disciples at the Last Supper. God doesn't control man, man has his own free will. No, Jesus didn't tell him to betray him so I can save all men. That's just plain ridiculous.

As for the first thing I would like to address, this is my first post on this board. I'de like to introduce myself to everyone; my name is Josh. I'm a rather eccentric 14 year old. I'de like to think I'm a prodigy of the mind, but I suppose that is for you to decide.
i have to say that this is the best site I have ever seen correlating to the topic of the Matrix. I've never seen a site with such a vast multitude of concepts clashing and logical points being made. It's insane. I'm so glad that there is a place on the web where I can find out other people's ideas on the Matrix.
Now to state my views, I have to say that there is definately a certain synergy between Christianity and other religions included within the matrix trilogy. However, I don't think that the Wachowski brother's made the entire movie based around the Bible, and I think the tale was supposed to be unique rather then a new twist on the bible. The tale did seem to be heavily influenced by religions, but I think the ending could have been explained scientifically. I'm not sure, but maybe it was rippling bio-energy that flooded through Neo in the final scene with Smith, or perhaps it was in itself an effect of Neo's relationship with the source. Perhaps he was altering the very fabric of reality itself. One thing that I picked up on that many other people did as well was the flooding energy that formed a cross over Neo's body. I don't think the wachowski brother's were being so blatently obvious with their Christian references. I think it was merely formed that way because the position Neo was in. If you noticed, I'm pretty sure he was sitting with his legs close together, arms spread out while resting on the mechanical tendrils. i think the cross was formed from the channeling of this energy and it was formed because the symetrical nature of his body. The legs near by each other, aligned with his neck and the outretched arms, it just seemed natural to me that the energy conduited through his body in this form. I just wanted to state my opinion and, by no means do I mean to bash anyones opinions, I just want to state my opinion on the topic.

8. the S&M clubs - jesus actually hung out with prostitutes

But what was his purpose for being there? It was clearly not just for "hanging out"