»Matrix within a Matrix? c'mon, get real!«

It was a theory and concept never addressed within any of the movies, created by fans from the outside looking in. Is it possible? Maybe, but its not really shown in the movie. I'd have to say, the movie pretty much kills the MwM theory.

I mean, the idea of not knowing what is real or simply a stimulation is a cool concept I'm sure you could force into lots of different stories and movies, but it doesnt mean that its part of the intended plot.

I think the MwM is like forcing unmatched puzzle pieces together

Also: there was no fire "code": he was somehow able to sense energy I gathered. But the stuff he saw Bane as wasnt code of any kind, at least thats not what it looked like.

you can ask the same questions everywhere why cant zion be a simulation too like the matrix after all there is no definition of reality? what you feel what you hear is then again what your brain tells you.the real world could be just another dream.when you believe something to be real is when someone shows you something which is awe inspiring and greater than your mortal self.who knows where the ultimate truth is hidden or if there is an ultimate truth.when you wake from a dream that you thought was for real then what about the dreams in the real world?wuold they be from another dimension?another reality?
matrixboy

you can ask the same questions everywhere why cant zion be a simulation too like the matrix after all there is no definition of reality? what you feel what you hear is then again what your brain tells you.the real world could be just another dream.when you believe something to be real is when someone shows you something which is awe inspiring and greater than your mortal self.who knows where the ultimate truth is hidden or if there is an ultimate truth.when you wake from a dream that you thought was for real then what about the dreams in the real world?wuold they be from another dimension?another reality?
matrixboy

matrixboy wrote:

you can ask the same questions everywhere why cant zion be a simulation too like the matrix after all there is no definition of reality? what you feel what you hear is then again what your brain tells you.the real world could be just another dream.when you believe something to be real is when someone shows you something which is awe inspiring and greater than your mortal self.who knows where the ultimate truth is hidden or if there is an ultimate truth.when you wake from a dream that you thought was for real then what about the dreams in the real world?wuold they be from another dimension?another reality? matrixboy

Thats cool, but you could ask the same question about "dances with wolves" since that movie also never comes out and says it is not a false reality or a world within worlds etc.

Or back to the Matrix, you could say 'it was all about pink bunnies, they never explain it in the movies' because the movie never says that it WASNT all about pink bunnies. With that sort of logic you could make the movie mean anything you want it to. And maybe thats a cool concept, but for me its just too subjective. I prefer to analyse the movies in the context of themselves as they are presented to the audience, and the mwm thing isnt addressed at all.

MwM is a load of BS. The Wachowski brothers definitly made a mistake in Reloaded by having him render those sentinals useless. I don't think they saw that coming.

There is no need to get everyone to understand the film your way.
For me, MwM is a very similar to the idea of Buddhism. Some people think that they believe anything we see now is not real, but in fact it is telling us that they are not forever. Everything we see now will change, nothing is forever, so they are virtual... I am not very good at explaining, but I think studying buddhism will give you lots of answer whatever way (philosophy)you look at it. And get what you need out of it!

fire code ... lol.

i agree that neo was seeing the aura ...

Chris Garson wrote:

MwM is a load of BS. The Wachowski brothers definitly made a mistake in Reloaded by having him render those sentinals useless.

Yes, I think so. Without it it would have been just human Neo againts squiddies. But it became too big for the Wachowskis to find a neat solution.

One of the biggest cliffhangers of movie history and then that lame answer "because Neo is the One".

But I still think this was on purpose to create discussions. The same applies to the trailer: "6 hours ago I was ready to give anything". And then in the movie: It was a mere sentence, no meaning. The kid bringing the spoon. What was that for?

"The kid bringing the spoon. What was that for?"


What I thought of when seeing the scene where Neo is given the spoon from one of the "hopefuls" was just a way for the kid to say..."Hey welcome to Zion...the REAL WORLD" Here is a REAL spoon...

That's how I took it anyways

Matrixboy,

If there was indeed a matrix within a matrix, then everything that happened throughout the trilogy wasn't real, and the three movies were basically a collection of simulated events. Nothing would have a point. This is not a meaningful solution to resolving the relatively few unanswered questions that may remain.

i agree with most of people here MwM is bullshit...

matrix within a matrix, and that would take place where? the idea of it is a mere word game. i mean, of course anything's possible, but more droid-like than this world? mebbe i don't have my thinking cap on, but i can't picture it.

nadwah.

Bishop wrote:

Matrixboy, If there was indeed a matrix within a matrix, then everything that happened throughout the trilogy wasn't real, and the three movies were basically a collection of simulated events. Nothing would have a point. This is not a meaningful solution to resolving the relatively few unanswered questions that may remain.

Assuming MwM:

Wasn't it real? Are the interactions between real consciousnesses any less "real" if they don't happen in the "real" world? Isn't the interaction between people what really matters, not the medium?

It almost seems like they intentional mislead the audience...but I guess they just didn't see how easily the events and conversations of M2 could indicate MwM.

Lysander wrote:

Wasn't it real? Are the interactions between real consciousnesses any less "real" if they don't happen in the "real" world? Isn't the interaction between people what really matters, not the medium?

We can agree that interactions between real conciousnesses are real, whether they take place in a simulation or in the 'real world'. The underlying issue is whether or not the events that took place on Zion were in the real world or part of a simulation. If everything was indeed a simulation, then most of what we saw (special effects, etc.) was unnecessary from the points of view of the conciousnesses and was only there for the audience. Furthermore, it would mean we, the audience, were tricked all along. I cannot refute the possibility of MwM, but it would trivialize the entire experience.

Bishop wrote:

We can agree that interactions between real conciousnesses are real, whether they take place in a simulation or in the 'real world'.

Well, good.

Bishop wrote:

The underlying issue is whether or not the events that took place on Zion were in the real world or part of a simulation. If everything was indeed a simulation, then most of what we saw (special effects, etc.) was unnecessary from the points of view of the conciousnesses and was only there for the audience.

I don't follow.

Bishop wrote:

Furthermore, it would mean we, the audience, were tricked all along.

Yes, but the characters are tricked as well. And the concept of the One is a trick.

Bishop wrote:

I cannot refute the possibility of MwM, but it would trivialize the entire experience.

I don't see how you can say that and believe "that interactions between real conciousnesses are real, whether they take place in a simulation or in the 'real world'."

The existence of MwM would trivialize the trilogy. Why? Because it would mean the 'real world' as we saw it did not exist. So all of the events in the three movies were simulated. This doesn't mean that the interactions between the machine AI and the human minds weren't real, but that the events that were supposedly taking place were not real. And a scenario where the events were all simulated would make the story seem arbitrary, since there was never really any danger of the machines reaching Zion to destroy it, etc.

if you have a weak consentration span you can skip to the last paragraph...

ill have to be honest and admit i have bypassed the majority of posts here but i thinks its fair tosay that the matrix movie is based on real life 'reality'. if that much isnt painfully obvious to you then you lack the obsevational skills required to take the first one seriously (never mind the whole trilogy). anyway, lets look at it like morpheus advised in the first matrix. reality as far as the majority can perceive is merely electrical signals interpreted by the brain. but your 5 senses dont actualy tell you whats real. they feed your brain information such as light, heat, sound, taste, smell etc. nothing more. in short: you brain is the interface that alows your mind to experience the physical world.

it is your brains job to decode the information sent to it by your 5 senses for your 6th sense to give meaning to otherwise we would be nothing more than walking talking computers with advanced sensors and shells. those who BELIEVE in God or "The source" know that God created man and breathed life in to him (gave him spirit). He created everything from himself and thus is the only true reality.

taking that in to account, we all have a fragment of the spirit of "the source" within us and are Gods on a small scale. from spirit God made MANifest. the matrix deals with the physical and non physical (body/brain and spitrit/mind) but most people are only aware of physical reality and are thus trapped in their physical body and thus imrissoned through lack of knowledge. being born in to a prison makes it difficult to accurately describe life on the outside or to even believe that there is life on the outside which is why most cant subscribe to the reality of outer body experiences, The Astral Plane or any other method of seperating mind from body.

even so, the fact that The source is the only true reality means that the real world (be it on one of the matrix ships or zion itself) is infact a simulation with less rules than the simulation we are currently imprissoned in. the less rules you are bound by - the more control you have over the rules that apply to the physical world (and dimensions below you). the rabbit hole goes dEep but most are not ready to be unplugged. neither am i apparently, which is why im still stuk here with you lot
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