»Neo dead?«

Just want someone else's opinion on this!

Do we see Neo dying? Many think we do, but he can also just be "out cold!"
We should have learned by now, that nothing is as it seems, and the Oracle does say she believes they will see Neo again (of course, this could be Neo v7.0)...

Im not sure he dies, he is transported away from the city and maybe back to Zion!

Your opinion?

Who said he was dead?

prime_vci wrote:
third the end of matrix one is the end of revolutions

I guess your pal was lying, Neo doesn't live to the end of M3.

This is one, and I have also heard/seen others believe this too!
I might have missunderstood something?

My point is this, end of M1 must be end of M3...

Whoops, clumsy me. Well he may or may not live to the end of M3 but the end of M1 is still not the end of M3. Didn't you see M3 yet anyway?

To clear up the confusion, there is speculation that the last few lines of M1 (when Neo is in the phonebooth, saying "I'm not here to tell you how it's going to end... I'm here to tell you how it's going to begin"), are actually the final word. That should come after M3.

Whether or not you believe this, I leave up to you. But now that it's clearer, you can make that CHOICE...

Haha true

Well I think it would be kind of weird if Neo said that to the machines now that there's peace.

I saw the premiér on M3 tonight.

I think it is the end of M3. This is because as mentioned before, Neo is so confident. Also, the words "I'm here to tell you how it's going to begin", may point to the fact that he has returned and starts the peace process, as a link between the machines and Zion. Though, I don't want to bet my life on it. Just an idea!

I just loved (most) of the movie, and it has given us much more to think about (and I find that good!)... More brain-frying!

i believe neo doesn't "die" as such- he merely resets the matrix as it is always planned for him to do,the machines i presume when they are dragging him are sort of "cremating" him- scattering his code back into the matrix- my theory!
the end of m1 could merely be neo taking the role of mopheus from earlier in the film as the person introduing a new mind to be freed....

Neo is dead. He accepted it, he admited that it was inevitable and that his entire journey was his choice. He understood everything Smith said was after all the truth that everything we fight for can be as artificial as the Matrix itself.
Neo represented the imperfection in every human being, that is why the Oracle tells Sati that they may see Neo again, because there will be more people like Neo, but not the Thomas A. Anderson alias Neo we've been following in this movies. Neo's code was reinserted into the Matrix when he died. The machine said "it is done"

Neo is dead. He is dead, because he didn't follow the "path" the previous Neos did (see dialog with the architect - the choice he made) and happened the exact opposite thing:

Instead of destroying Zion and having Neo living and choosing 15 more guyz to create the next and new Zion (to continue getting the 0.1% anomaly of the people from the Matrix etc), he desides to sacrifice himself for Zion and the people outside the Matrix. That's why the war ends.

All the final answers are given in combination with the dialog with the Architect.

That's all! Perfect!

The only thing that I didn't like (and many many people in the cine hall) was the sweet dialog Neo had with the duying Trinity.. please..

My question: Did previous Neos had their equivalent Agent Smiths or he was the first?

deadskee. the machines even took him away on a death barge dealio.

i think there were smith predecessors.

- neo is the anomaly, the unbalance in the architect's equation.
- smith is neo's antithesis, his shadow.
- the way that the concept of Unity in Opposites is expressed in the movie, one cannot exist without the other.
- the architect and the oracle both had dialogue implying prior knowledge of the effects of smith. in reloaded the architect tells neo that smith, a flaw/fluctuation arising from neo "the anomaly" would constitute a systemic crash killing everyone in the matrix. the oracle also had foreknowledge of smith, but that could be because she's the oracle. or both.

if there were 5 predecessors of neo, there were 5 predecessors of smith

Neo is definitely Dead. He is the One. The Savior. He gave his life to save Zion. With out Neo, Agent Smith can't exist. They balance one another out. Once Agent Smith copied himself into Neo, he reallized it was the end. Neo figured this out and knew he could beat him, by actually losing to him.

There is nothing more to think into this.

"It is Done"

well i too think that neo is dead. although a part of me is still willing to believe that he > might < be still alive...

anyway:

neo went to the city of the machines to talk to the machine god... he (neo) told him, what the god already knew: the machines couldn't control smith anymore. hence neo went into the matrix again to defeat smith - and to ensure peace between the machines and the human race.
i guess neo realized that there was no way to beat smith in this huge fight - so he allowed smith to "overwrite" him... the idea behind this was imho to allow the machines to have control over smith again - since the neo-smith was directly connected to the city of the machines/ the machine god (the other smiths all lacked this connection - remember smith's gift to neo at the beginning of reloaded? no connection, not a part of the system anymore - hence no control). now the machine god was able to delete smith due to this connection neo had established. neo had to die but smith could be defeated.

neo is dead.

and what happend next is imho his return to the source (and not to zion). the one returned to the source and the matrix could be reloaded (that is what we see when the oracle and sati are lying on the not anymore destroyed streets).

so what changed?

the humans are now aware of their choice, they may or may not stay inside the matrix. and if they should decide to leave, they also don't have to enter a world caught in a war between humans and machines.

cu, db03

the bench with the plaque "In memory of Thomas A Anderson" is not used in reloaded, but it is the one in Revolutions. Sati and Seraph find the Oracle sitting there at the end.

peace

i'll have to keep an eye out for that bench plaque when i see it again ...

Is Neo alive?YES! . As he lays motionless on that hovercraft, the surroundings changed into a third-person view of how Neo saw the Machine City. Everything gold with light shining like the sun. But getting to my point, if you noticed, Neo's body hasn't become dimmer or dark for that matter. This signifies there is still life within him. Further proving this theory is earlier in the movie, Neo kills Bane/Smith with a sledgehammer(?). Right when he kills him, the camera changes into a first person view. Since Neo is blinded from the fight, he only sees programs from the matrix. Bane/Smith gets hit and he shatters into nothingness. So in light of this evidence, Neo's "aura" should have faded into nothing if he did die. Trinity dieing really SUCKED ASS! If anyone would like to chat about it with me add me to msn Stupid email address

ok, questions: 1. what is the significance with the eyes? why did the merog(you know how to spell it) want the oracle's eyes? why were neo's eyes burnt at the end? 2. what's the significance of the "last exile"? they even gave her a specific title. does anyone know enough about philosophy to know any significance to this title? 3. what's the deal with the train driver? i think he signifies that guy in greek mythology that sails people down to hell. any thoughts? i have a million more questions and things to think about (oracle = mother earth, good cannot exist without evil to compare it to, they are relative terms, therefore neo couldn't exist without smith and vice versa, etc.) but i'll get to those tomorrow. If anyone wants to chat about this with me then please add me to msn Stupid email address

The body of Thomas A. Anderson is dead, but I believe that Neo could live on. It is clear this is totally possible, Neo was after all in the Matrix without even being jacked in at the beginning of Revolutions. It's always been clear that, "the body cannot live without the mind." But can't the mind live without the body? It certainly did at the Train Station.

Heh, this all comes back to my belief that Seraph is the remnant "mind" of the One that serves as the guardian angel of the Oracle. It seems really clear this is the case during their interaction at the end of the movie.

I do believe that Neo can no longer exist as we know him in the real world. However, he can live on in the matrix, which is a prison for your MIND.

What noxious1981 is IMHO is one of the best explainations...

In the first Matrix, wasAgent Smith still part of the system, therfore could be destroyed. The abnormal Agent Smith in Matrix Reloaded was no longer part of the system, therefore could not be controlled, since Neo "freed" him from the system. Since the abnormal Agent Smith was no longer part of the system, he couldn't be controlled by the machines or the matrix therefore could manipulate the code like a Virus.

Neo came to the conclusion that since the abnormal Agent Smith could not be controlled or stopped, there was only one way to destroy him. And that was to go the machine city and make a deal with the mainframe or machine god, whatever you want to call it. Neo knew that the only way to defeat Agent Smith was to trick him into over-writting Neo's code which would therefore give the machines or system back control over Agent Smith, thus deleting Agent Smith from the system. Agent Smith obviously had no idea that Neo was jacked into the machine source.

Everything that has a beginning has and end, Neo knew this and thus sacrificed his life to make a deal with the machines to save Zion. The machines had no choice but to make the deal with Neo since they too would have been over-written by Agent Smith's code.

As noxious1981 put it, Neo was re-inserted into the source to Reload the Matrix. Neo may not be dead theoretically, since he is now apart of the Matrix again.

Just want to add the the whole series was amazingly done!

There are several clues that point to Neo still being alive, but one of the main ones is in Revolutions at the end, Sati asks "Will we ever see Neo again?" and the Oracle says "I suspect so. Someday." I personally think there is a Jesus Christ thing going on, like his (not physical) mind lives without his (physical) body.

Neo dies to save the humans, he know thats what he must do. The golden code is the machine consious.

This is another theory that should be put to rest. Neo is dead. He had to sacrifice himself for the people of Zion and for everyone in the Matrix. I first thought he was still alive when the Oracle said she supposes she'll see him again. But sh ejust meant another One, not Neo specifically...

Something you haev to ask yourself while on this subject is, where did Neo's body go? When all the Smith's exploded they left the orginial subject behind and on the floor, as we see the Oracle laying in the puddle.... where was Neo's body? If someone is jacked in and they die in or outside the Matrix, their body remains inside it. Neo's wasn't there?
Oh and I think he is now a part of the machines to, and agree with all the theories of him joining the machines in gold code after tricking Smith.