»Sati: what's up with her?«

Am I the only one who thinks there's something up with Sati?

1) "She has no purpose", which is why her parents put her in the Oracle's protective custody. As we've seen throughout the movies, programs without purpose can have interesting abilities.

2) In the end, she creates a sunrise... how did she pull that one off? Am I the only only one who thinks that she has major powers? I mean, controlling "nature" seems even more impressive than flying or becoming transparent like the Whitey twins... Programs are usually limited by the rules of the Matrix... but she doesn't appear to be.

Could she be the future of the Matrix? Or am I reading too much into this, and she's just a minor character?

I appreciate your input...

Could she be the oracle`s daughter?

When smith enters the oracle`s kitchen he calls her "mom", mabe its the same smith who "took over" the girl.

Something similar happens during the fight between neo and oracle-smith, he calls him "neo", smith never does that.

just a tought...

I am just as confused as to what Sati means, but I do know the oracle believes she is very important, because in the video game she says (paraphrasing) "I believe this child will be important to both our worlds", which was an explanation to why she let her termination code to be sold to the merovingian. It will be interesting to see if it is revealed in the next game.

Thanks for the replies so far.

Replicant wrote:

Could she be the oracle`s daughter? When smith enters the oracle`s kitchen he calls her "mom", mabe its the same smith who "took over" the girl.

You have a keen sense of observation... How does the whole daughter thing work with programs though? Also, I thought she was the daughter of the 2 Indian characters at the beginning. They're the ones who gave her to the Oracle...

Replicant wrote:

Something similar happens during the fight between neo and oracle-smith, he calls him "neo", smith never does that.

I picked up that the Oracle was the one speaking through Smith at the end, from what was said, and more obviously from Smith confusion after he spoke the words. Smith said everything has a beginning and an end, the exact words of the Oracle earlier.

Personally, I would say that Sati is the personification of the link between the humans and the machines. She is very human, she is the proof that machines can be more humans than humans and the humans can be more machines than themselves.

just a thought...

Quote:

"She has no purpose"

Like the Oracle said in Reloaded... everything has a program that governs it.

Maybe her purpose was weather control. That would explain the sunrise.

But in the beginning, her parents admit that she has no purpose. Unless that's the purpose the Architect gave her afterwards... But that seems like something pretty big for a child...

Replicant wrote:

When smith enters the oracle`s kitchen he calls her "mom", mabe its the same smith who "took over" the girl.

One of the smith's calls her mom and another one says something about the cookies (don't remember exactly what atm). My guess is that the first smith calls her mom because she's the mother of the Matrix and the other one is the one who was taken over by another smith.

Marc-E-Marc wrote:

But in the beginning, her parents admit that she has no purpose. Unless that's the purpose the Architect gave her afterwards... But that seems like something pretty big for a child...

she isn't a child as such as she is a programme, the child is that programmes "skin"

sati painted the sky, in appreciation for neo
she didn't make the sun rise
she made the sunrise beautiful

she has no purpose but to do what she wants to do, she has no authority to tell her what she must do

she is the future of both machines, programs and humans because she shows that you do not need to have a control placed upon you or a purpose designed by someone else, you are able to control your own life to do what you want to do, the only limititation is the one you put on yourself

I think Sati is of the same purpose of the Mervoginian, and possibly created that same way. They do what they want.

esc wrote:

sati painted the sky, in appreciation for neo she didn't make the sun rise she made the sunrise beautiful she has no purpose but to do what she wants to do, she has no authority to tell her what she must do she is the future of both machines, programs and humans because she shows that you do not need to have a control placed upon you or a purpose designed by someone else, you are able to control your own life to do what you want to do, the only limititation is the one you put on yourself

Good point! Sati is said to have been created without purpose, presumably meaning purpose external to the whims and wills of the parental programs. She is probably therefore a generalist program, perhaps with fewer restrictions on what code or functionality to acquire or the types of data she could assimilate. Not unlike most human babies. (A few are born to provide agri-cultural labor or stem cells or as a social obligation.)

Does anyone know what Sati means in Hindi or another Indian language?

Sati is the traditional Hindu practice of a widow immolating herself on her husband's funeral pyre.

If that umm, helps any.

i think that sati is the new person who can bend the matrix at will... the one who made the perfect matrix perfect... what better person to make a perfect world than a well mannered, youg, innocent girl?

i think that sati is the new person who can bend the matrix at will... the one who made the perfect matrix perfect... what better person to make a perfect world than a well mannered, young, innocent girl?

I think like what the other people have said Sati is like linking factor between humans and machines...
Machines/AI programmes are governed by Purpose
Humans (a supposed purposeless entity in regarding themselves) try to live their lives to create Purpose

A purposeless Entity hmm maybe Sati is important because without purpose one must make purpose, choose purpose..Give shape to life like Art...which i kinda believe Sati does in her Sunrise

Sati in Hindi means the pure one

I`m very pro Sati. I see her as Firekeeper does above, a programme born free, out of love, who will bring a new way of thinking to the machine race. I feel that Sati and her kind will be a major force for good in the future, perhaps even heralding in a machine revolution. The matrix, in the end, becomes a force for good, a meeting place between the two races, rather than a prison for both.

I think that Sati is the 7th messiah and that she is the true successor to what Morpheus thought was the first man born inside the matrix. I also think that Seraph (who's job is to protect that which matters most: the messiah?) and Oracle (I think conclusively the mother of the matrix) are there to protect her. In which case this raises the question, was Neo a program? Therefore, was Zion a matrix? Argh, will these questions every be answered

Sati is definately not the Oracle's daughter. She is the daughter of Rama Kandra and his wife, whoever she was.

I remember that Rama Kandra was the admin of recycling something or other, I can't really remeber, but what stuck out was the wife, who was an interactive program designer or something (someone help me out?). I figured that was how Sati painted the sky at the end, a talent passed from her mother.

But how Sati ended up with Oracle is a bit weird for me. Rama Kandra and his wife sold the termination code for the Oracle's shell to the Merovingian in order to get Sati into the Matrix. I got the picture that the termination code should have finished the Oracle off ("tell the fortune teller her time is almost up") but she somehow got another shell.

The Oracle also says that she trusted RK, I think she knew the importance of Sati and knew anything had to be done to get her to the Matrix. Seraph came into the picture in Reloaded, right before Neo came to see the Oracle. Seraph says he is forever in debt to the Oracle and she says now she needs him, so they have a past, but who knows what, I remember Seraph telling someone he beat them before, but now I can't remember.

Anyhow, so my point is. Wait, new idea. The Oracle had a new shell lined up because she knew RK was going to sell the termination code for her current shell to get Sati into the Matrix. The Oracle knew Sati was coming and that she was important. The Oracle calls in Seraph, and now Seraph has the job of "protecting that which matters most".

Replicant wrote:

When smith enters the oracle`s kitchen he calls her "mom", mabe its the same smith who "took over" the girl.

I couldn't believe it when I heard Smith calling the Oracle "mom". I thought I misheard "ma'am". But , as the Smiths do the girl in first, and then go to the Oracle's room, it's possible that that Smith is indeed the morphed Sati.

Replicant wrote:

Something similar happens during the fight between neo and oracle-smith, he calls him "neo", smith never does that.

I'll have to see Revolutions again, as I didn't pick up on that.

It would mean that Smith is not completely over-writing the control of the Avatars that he captures. Which raises the question of just *how much* residual control the victim retains over the Smith.

Peter

PeterBLloyd wrote:

... it's possible that that Smith is indeed the morphed Sati...

Good catch. I thought that Smith calling the Oracle "Mom" meant that she was the mother of the matrix. But now I realise it is a way to indicate he took over Sati.

HolEavataR wrote:

PeterBLloyd wrote: ... it's possible that that Smith is indeed the morphed Sati... Good catch. I thought that Smith calling the Oracle "Mom" meant that she was the mother of the matrix. But now I realise it is a way to indicate he took over Sati.

NO!

She says something about Smith being a bastard, and he replies "You should know, mom".

Sati is the child of the parents in the subway, so why would she call her that? And wouldn't that make Smith react like he did in the end when the Oracle spoke through him?

As sed in Enter the Matrix by the oracle she says that she believes that Sati will be important for both worlds. In the matrix we have seen that sati has some sort of power with the sun. While in the real world we kno that their is no sun mayb the oracle is hopin that sati can change this ?

It appeared to me that Ati was Smith up against the wall. Seraph also had to be taken over by Smith and I thought it was him doing all the talking, and finally the taking over of the Oracle.

The Smith up against the wall that says something about everything needs love (that Oracle said to Sati) was the Sati take-over and the Smith that did most of the talking was definatley not the Sati-Smith. Only one other Smith would have been fit for a main part like that and that was Seraph-Smith.

So, if that was in fact Seraph-Smith then that would mean that the Oracle was Seraph's mom. Why not, she could have created him to protect her, ay? He would also obviously be a bastard since he wouldn't have had a father. Just my thoughts.