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Is Reloaded / Revolutions a mere stylish bloat? Does it mean anything when Neo flies in slomo? Or is this just to insert the newest digi effect?

I should have done a penisenlargement-explained.com site.

What did you expect? Everything is filled with the same symbols as always. The effects are there for appearanes as always. Everything means what you want it to mean. As always. 2 & 3 were shot as one movie. Nothing changed between the releases, but we discussed it to death in the meantime. We digged alot of much deeper rabbit holes.

OK, then it's a fault of the Wachowskis to make a "Reloaded" (including trailers for "Revolutions") that puts all the riddles in our minds but leaves us hanging in the air after Revolutions.

*Trinity: "Six hours ago I was ready to give anything"
Pointless

*Morpheus: "He fights for us"
Pointless

*Persephone: "He was once like you"
Pointless

*The Kid bringing the spoon
Pointless

*Merovingian: "Bring me the eyes of the Oracle". Trinity: "No". Merovingian: "OK"
Pointless. This is one of the biggest leg pulling trailers of all times.

*The Oracle's kitchen in Matrix code
Pointless. Leg pull #2

*The trainman's jumping
Pointless

*The Kid's story
Pointless. The Kid is just a kid.

*The glowing thing going thru Neo (Final Fantasy style)
Pointless

Dirty tricks to increase sales.

Although filmed at the same time it looks like two different movies for me. Like Highlander 1 vs Highlander 2

I gotta admit I feel bad for you KnnKnn, I bet you were hoping to post a lot of info today filling in the gaps of all the theories and topics you've posted. There's not much more explained after today than there was before. It's still going to be matrix-discussed.com but there's not going to be anybody with matrix-the-final-truth.com. I still appreciate your work in keeping this going, even tho it's upsetting for a while. Maybe some more info will come to light before TMO is released...

DEEPLY DISSAPOINTED....

thumbs down to M3

you guys really just need to relax..

this is one of the best stories of all time.... period. we all know that..

knnknn, i think that you were expecting a religious experience or something.... everything is there man... it is... i got it all, and so did a lot of people... we all knew how this was going to end, and they did it just fine...

what did you guys expect?, one of those regular movie scenes, thats like "ok, this is what is happening and why and this is was is going to happen and why"

neither of the first two were like that... theres no reason to assume that the third was....

the worst part about all of this is simply the fact that its all over now... nothing to speculate on or look forward too....

im satisfied with the movie.... and a real fan, and somebody who understands will be too...

elprez wrote:

the worst part about all of this is simply the fact that its all over now... nothing to speculate on or look forward too....

Well, I wouldn't say..."nothing". Nothing is too empty. It's just that the speculation, however sound, may not get that stylish bloat so many people love to take for granted. The Matrix is, after all, about old ideas re-arranged in surprising ways, all wrapped up in black latex, cracked glass, violent choreography and other bloat -- all parts are essential. People who don't like the bloat can go watch Mel Gibson's flick. (Go on Ebay and get yourself a few good Aramaic-English dictionaries first -- you'll need them.)

I suspect if more people, myself included, get a crash course on Buddhism -- not that many people will -- you'd get a whole new range of perspective.

knnknn wrote:

OK, then it's a fault of the Wachowskis to make a "Reloaded" (including trailers for "Revolutions") that puts all the riddles in our minds but leaves us hanging in the air after Revolutions.

Come now, you shouldn't believe everthing you see an an advertisement, no matter how slick it is. I did a video component in my Bachelor of Visual Arts, and I know just how easy it is to misdirect by judicious editing.

In fact, I'm sure an awful lot of what was said about #3 and its makers (includine "leaked" scripts and rumours about sexuality/gender) has all been clever misdirection. I only really saw the trailers a week before seeing #3, so I'm not really upset about what wasn't shown.

knnknn wrote:

*The Kid bringing the spoon Pointless

How so? It showed that not just Neo had escaped from the matrix.

knnknn wrote:

*Merovingian: "Bring me the eyes of the Oracle". Trinity: "No". Merovingian: "OK" Pointless. This is one of the biggest leg pulling trailers of all times.

Ah yes, but he never had the chance, did he, 'cause Smith got there first!

knnknn wrote:

*The Oracle's kitchen in Matrix code Pointless. Leg pull #2

Clearly there was something else going on there, when Smith absorbs the Oracle, and it's interesting to note that the absorbed Oracle is the one doing the manic laughter.

knnknn wrote:

*The Kid's story Pointless. The Kid is just a kid.

He did his bit. Everyone had a part to play. This was an epic, not just the story of a super-hero.

knnknn wrote:

Although filmed at the same time it looks like two different movies for me. Like Highlander 1 vs Highlander 2

...perhaps, though i enjoyed #3 much more than #2. The fighting in #2 seemed a bit too over-the-top, whereas in #3 (though there was lots of it) it did have some point.

Sorry you didn't like #3, but just because everything hinted at wasn't explained, doesn't make it a bad flick.

Why do you blame this on the kid? Thre are stories in stories in stories in stories! Just look at shakespeare! The servants always play parts! Lord of the Rings! Aragorn's story, Tom Bombadil's story! EVERYONE HAS A STORY TO TELL.
This is one of the good things about M3. The stories. Mifune's story, Zee's story, the KID's STORY. It was good. I liked that part a lot. The stories within stories are like life. It happens. Just when we get a glimse at history, WE'RE ONLY GETTING 1 story, and that's what usually happens in movies. So this is why it was so good. It was complex. Now I admit, there are some parts that are really funnily stupid. Like Agent smith getting hit in slo-mo (heeheehee!). But these stories helped make the WHOLE STORY. I mean, look at Palistinians and Israel (we're not getting into that, don't worry). THERE IS MORE THAN 1 STORY IN THAT WHOLE COMPLICATED ISSUE.
So it did have purpose. Because w/o the kid, Niobe and Morpheus would have died.

knnknn is like Morpheous, he has lost his faith. He has dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone from him. Let's all pitch in and try to help knnknn regain his faith in Matrix and his website. Let's help him have purpose. I want to see every post from now on explain to knnknn at least one part of the movie (revoultions) and why it was significant to the whole story (m1-m3).

For example:
Merv was probably essential to the other One's...but quoting from the movie..."Some things do change"

Personally I loved revolutions, and I think that it was the only way it could've ended. If you are so disappointed with Revolutions, why don't you give us a synopsis of what you would've liked to see KnnKnn?

Also, I hate when people on this site complain that there were to many fight scenes in Rev. I mean come on people it is the end of a war! I guess that you just suspected that the humans and machines would sit down and talk when the machines finally got to zion. Well, I am personally happy with how everything turned out, and I think people like KnnKnn need to just lighten up. I think ya'll are just mad your theory wasn't right, or some other petty reason like that. Revolutions needs to be appreciated for what it was: the climax of a great story.

Matrix is the most intelligent movie ever done, that's hard to deny. The last tome could have lasted longer and relative to our questions I guess Wachowskis will release a lot of other stuff.

I think that the war brilliantly shows that humans are really the underdogs here, and that the peace with the machines are something to be valued.

I wish I could transfer some of my appreciation of Revolutions to KnnKnn. I wonder if he will soften up after a while?

knnknn wrote:

Is Reloaded / Revolutions a mere stylish bloat? Does it mean anything when Neo flies in slomo? Or is this just to insert the newest digi effect? I should have done a penisenlargement-explained.com site.

knnknn, you disappoint me.
Where is your sexy Avatar?

knnknn wrote:

OK, then it's a fault of the Wachowskis to make a "Reloaded" (including trailers for "Revolutions") that puts all the riddles in our minds but leaves us hanging in the air after Revolutions.... Pointless... Dirty tricks to increase sales.

When movie trailers are made, i dont think they're supposed to tell you when the real stories are. They're there to tease you to come and see the flick. BUt then on the trailer, at least they stuck with the story-line of Agent Smith getting greedy and wanting to have it all.

I think the movie Matrix makes sense. It all about the greatness of our humanity. Love, faith, hope.

Notice how the machines, the architect, agent smith, keeps making fun of our emotions while some machines are amazed at it, Oracle, Indian guy at train, Perse..

The machine tried to understand us, but being the way we are which is predictable and calculated, they couldn't. Even Agent Smith in the end was asking why Neo keeps fighting when he knows there is no way he can win.
If a machine was in the same situation, he would make the conclusion that he cannot win and would just surrender. Just like the general who is in charge with the security of Zion. Without faith and hope, you just give up. It is our human qualities that makes us wonderful creatures.

The essencmace of the movie is about CHOICES and its consequences. Our fate is determined by the choices we make and it is not something that can be predetermined. The machine keeps telling us this simple truth.

First of all I would like to say Congrats to everyone that has been posting positive things about revolutions. I know that after initially coming out of the movie, while I thought it was a great movie, it did not really impact me until several days later. I am going to see the movie again today. I will concentrate more on the philosophical undertones that I might have missed during the first one. When I get back I will post my thoughts and perceptions of the second time viewing it. I believe that Revolutions's philosophical undertones were buried deeper and more implicit than the first two. The Wach. Bros. might be trying to challenge us to pull them out of the movie, instead of just being handed them on a silver platter. I know that 2 days after seeing the movie, I began to think about it much more. Well, great job on the posts...KEEP IT UP EVERYONE...we want to turn knnknn from this to this

I feel that, if all the questions had been answered, this site would be pointless. In the absence of answers, however, this site is still useful. It is true that we tried to reach our answers through logic and the films were prepared to ignore some of this (stopping the sentinels, being in the matrix without a plugin). This is the primary problem that we are faced with.

We have some possibilities.

1. We Delete the site and make a new one, based on what we have learned. Eventually, KnnKnn will be reborn within it and this time he will lead us to creating a better site. This process is repeated six or seven times until, eventually we make peace with the wachowskis or defeat them.

2. We preserve the site as an archive of "what may have been", whereby we can show the depths of meaning within the films and thus pay tribute to them. There is a lot of potential philosophy to be found. We must, however, recognise that logical proofs are no longer the avenue of progress. We are looking more at musings and theory.

3. We petition the Wachowskis to answer some questions for us.

Silvercat wrote:

I feel that, if all the questions had been answered, this site would be pointless.

Yeah thought about that , too. Hollywood keeps me alive.

Silvercat wrote:

We petition the Wachowskis to answer some questions for us.

Since they came with a twistless Revolutions I suppose they should petition us.

They leave all to comic writers now, so I started:

I have read at several different sources that there is talks for a Matrix 4. But this is the problem with Reloaded and Revolutions, they where not two seperate films, apart from the fact they where released seperatly, in reality both films where one film. You may not agree with me but that is what and how i feel. The Wachowski's are all about setting us up and leaving burning questions in our mind. In fact all good directors are like that.... however we all saw Revolutions as the answer to everything - perhaps the way it was advertised, advertised it in the wrong way and fashion. In reality it was two films of one film - like Kill Bill Volume 1 & 2. So what we didnt get our questions answerd, it just leaves it open - it's very japanese anime style story telling, leave it open with unanswerd questions. Maybe one day there will be a film game or series written by the wachowski's to explain the black hole they decided to leave us in. But everyone will have their own choices to make decide and argue accross.
I also looked at Revolutions for the answer of everything and was annoyed for it not to be answerd, but perhaps in time we will see.

stop complaining and shut the site down prick.

mazin wrote:

I know that 2 days after seeing the movie, I began to think about it much more. Well, great job on the posts...KEEP IT UP EVERYONE...we want to turn knnknn from this to this

Quite so, right now knnknn's like when knnknn could be like (is he an agent?).
Lighten up KnnKnn -- it ain't that bad (and don't give up on the forum just yet)!

I know you're upset knnknn, but I bet it will only be for a short time. Or maybe I'm wrong, and you will be pissed for the rest of your life, who knows. But don't shut this site down, I'm being completely honest when I say this is the best Matrix site there is. And I think you owe it to all the people that have been here from the beginning, and every single one who has in some way contributed to this site and made it what it is today.

Maybe you should go see Revolutions a few more times....I bet you'll enjoy it a lot more. I bet you'll find the answers you so desperately seek for. You just have to dig deeper.

Keep it up!

Grow up man, you have a great Matrix site, probably the best on the net, learn to deal with it. Whatever happended to being impartial? I think the Matrix Trilogy is outstanding and if you don't get it, you don't deserve to be the admin.

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stop complaining and shut the site down prick.

Why don't you shut the F*** up because obviously everyone but you wants to keep it.
knnknn, everyone except this idiot is right. KEEP THIS SITE! Revolutions was good (although it lacked plot), and so what your disappointed! We still have comics, music, and EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WASN'T ANSWERED to discuss! That is a GOOD thing!
Besides, you've worked WAY to hard on it to shut it down! And then where would WE go?

Splinter

For many, matrix explanation are more needed now then ever. but it seems that this one is too much complicated for the admin to be able to explain anything.

I sugest you to change your site url now.