»Did you like Matrix Revolutions?«

Just think about all the expectation that went into the coming of the messiah (Jesus), and when he came and died as a pascifist and didn't kick ass with the sword, how many people were disappointed? An entire nation was in shock and an uproar.

The same can be said about this movie. It is great to see the Christian parallels and especiall the parallels to Christ's life in Revolutions. The Bros. even set up the movie, to cause the same reaction amongst believers. You either accept what Neo did or you don't. The rest of this bitching and bellyaching is just an offshoot of how religiously you viewed the movie. Either you didn't care about it and just left it be, or you loved the story for what it was and trusted the creators to take you on a wonderful experience, thus feeling fulfilled by what you saw, or you created your own damned religion out of it and thought to take the story above that of the Creators, and then bitch some more when it becomes original and doesn't fit your fairy tale tastes. These same people say that once they have the story that was totally new to them in the first place (ie. the first Matrix movie), they can now come up with a better ending. Let's just see if any of these naysayers can even come up with an original idea, let alone a whole complex story.

These are people that say Hollywood is so preditable, that the Matrix was very original (even though it followed a very set formula, i.e. Love, betrayal and the hero never dies). And yet, when the sequals come out and totally break the formula (i.e. a long winded dialoge at the very end of the movie, Reloaded, killing the hero and his love at the end of a movie, Revolutions) they bitch and moan that the movie sucks because that is like killing Han Solo and Princess Leia. You can't kill the heros! Why? Because it is sooo anti-hollywood?

Newsflash people. Mankind is vicious at times, the enemy isn't always evil, the enemy is always misunderstood, and peace is obtainable when the troublemaker finally decides to stop causing trouble and atone for his past mistakes. Death is only cheated once, to cheat it twice becomes too formulaic, and when you have a symbol laiden movie such as this, flesh (Zion) must be reunited with the spirit (machine world) through the experience gained in the mind (matrix). The whole series is based on this (the Neb is basically a machine filled with biomechanical LOOKING parts. All the wires are red and blue in color, like blood veins, an exoskeleton with inards).

Now, all you posers who hated the series, or hated Revolutions, get off your fat asses pick up a book, get some experience in thinking for yourself, go back and watch the movie again, and be prepared to understand with your knowledge of the world, and not with your knowledge of movies.

OUT>>>>>>>

Nothing like a really well written and flawless post like that to stop a conversation....

Congratulations Qbosch!

lol:whitelaugh: you said it.

Why do people have to 'act' smart in here.

I can't speak for myself because im as dumb as a rock when

it comes to understanding and saying some of this ridiculous

nonsense i see posted.

The sad thing is, some people don't have to act smart; they are just smart, while others are just ignorant of anything original and self-gratifying. The bros have kept quiet about their movies to cause discussion, which is what philosophy is. To just say, my mom died in a car crash, God sucks! Is proving that you don't know the difference between your head and asshole. But to say, hey, I don't understand why this is happening, is to prove that you are more intelligent than the above forementioned asshole.

Aristotle said it best, and I am not quoting, when he said to admit you don't know is the road to pure knowledge. Now there are reasons for something being good or bad. You can't just say, it rocked! without showing why. Same is said that you can't say that is suxxx without stating why, and typing a lot of blanks in a sentence isn't proof that the movie sucks, it just shows that you don't know the difference between your head and your ass.

You have to say, it sucks because A didn't connect with B, and if NO ONE can prove that A did in fact connect with B, then, hey, your opinion stands; it did suck.

Now, for me, if A didn't connect with B in this movie, it means I missed something, so I go back and watch the movie again until I can connect B. I still haven't connected all the letters yet. This is why the movie is great; it keeps me going back to the movies again and again to find more answers.

I got the basic plot the first couple times around; this is what all movies should do, but how many movies can actually get you to go back and rethink their plots, get you to go deeper each and every time so that the movie stays fresh. I'm not talking about the special FX that make many movies rewatchable, I am talking about going back to go deeper into the plot so that each and everytime there is a lightbulb above your head and you go, "Whoa".

Therefore, this movie ROXXX!

I am not smart.

Well... I am a smart ASS, but that isn't what you mean... I hope.

Qbosch wrote:

flesh (Zion) must be reunited with the spirit (machine world) through the experience gained in the mind (matrix)

And together they (body, mind and an alienated spirit) "reconnect" with the "absolute spirit" through Neo, who alone has "access" to it (as symbolized in the Logos rising beyond the clouds (of Maya) and Neo and Trinity being embraced by the light of the sun (Brahman))....imo.

Love your posts, Qbosch!

I thought Socrates said it (maybe Aristotle said it too). The story goes as follows:

The oracle at Delphi proclaimed Socrates to be the wisest man alive. Socrates was puzzled by this: "But i never claim to know anything. I simply question other people on their beliefs." At this point Socrates decided that what made him wise must be the fact that while those around him claim to know the answers and turn out to know very little, he already knew that he knew nothing....

I stand corrected; it was Socrates. Oops, my bad.

And I also like what Tozy said about the three layers reality. This is exactly why these movies are great, we can sit here for hours and chew the fat over a set of movies and feel such passion about it that we our emotions are either tyrannical hate or overwhelmed appreciation.

Lord of the View, smart asses are much appreciated; they bring colorful wind to the table, it's the dumb asses one must ignore.

Qbosch, I must say that so far I am very impressed by your posts. I'm sure I'm not alone in finding your sensible yet insightful posts to be a breath of fresh air. Promise you won't be leaving us any time soon, eh?

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I don't have that much time to post, but everytime I watch the movies, I have to come to the boards to share insights or read other's.

Gr8 flick, all 3 r gr8 flicks....could have been better. I won't elaborate how...I'll leave that 2 everybody else.

hungarian kid wrote:

Those who hated Revolutions or thought the others where better merely didn't understand it. All those people who think "Ya Mum" jokes are funny.

Hey hungarian kid you hit the nail on the head with this one if anyone doesnt like m3 it is because they dont understand it. every matrix was made for one reason to spread the gospel and i didnt understand it at first whe i saw neo die i was baffled and bewildered to say the least but then i disected the movie peace by peace its all about the new testament and about jesus(neo) saving us. ever since the first matrix when morpheus (john the baptist) baptized neo or when neo was "born" into the real world. and in the secong matrix when agent smith drives up to the sewers where everyone is meeting adn his liscense plate says is5416- wich is isaih 54:16 wich states: i created the blacksmith(agent smith) who builds a fire and forges weapons against my soldier but i have also created the solider who uses the weapons to reak havoc on his enemies! - thats deep!
Also in the third matrix when neo is in his room debating on what he HAS to do that is in mark 14 when jesus gos on top of gethsemane when he comes down he tells them he is going to be crucified and they tell him not to and that he is crazy, just as when neo comes down from his room he says he needs a ship to go to the machine main frame and of course they tell him not to and that he is crazy. then neo starts carying his cross when he is driving the ship and gets in trouble three times just aas jesus fell three times, he fights the real world agent smith and gets up then trinity dies and he is all by himself then he fights the matrix agent smith and finaly dies so that all mankind can live. just as jesus did. also when the oracle dies and comes back could that be the second coming of elijah the greatest prophet of them all? but does anyone know what the meaning of the little girl saying that she made the sunrise for neo?

m3 like... im pissed it didnt end. like the story stopped and all but humans were still being used as batteries and the humans had to remain underground can you help me with that? What HAPPENS NOW! it sucked the ending sucked

First off, let me say that this was by far my all time favorite movie series. Having said that, let me say this; What the hell happened to this movie? I mean, for all but 10 minutes of this movie you are on the edge of you seat completely absorbed by everything that is going on. Then comes the ending. Don't get me wrong now, I'm not one of those 'Neo died so the movie sucked' people; but I mean if you are going to kill off the hero at least give a definite conclusion to the trilogy. Instead, you're left wondering just what the hell DID happen. Aside from the obvious, you really have no idea what happened at the end of Revolutions. Or, maybe I should say, what will happen after Rev. It took me a couple of months to come to terms with the fact that the Matrix trilogy ended like that, and now all you can do is hope the TMO sheds some much needed light on the subject. Overall though, I have to say that the movie was good. The trilogy was great, but Revolutions did disappoint me just a tad.

M3 answered very little about the previous movie, leading me to believe that the intent of the story was to show that there is no end. Neo's purpose was to ensure that life went on. The machines expanded the realm of choice that they gave to humans as a token of gratitude of sorts and giving Neo what he asked for. So for those reasons I understand why the movie ended the way it did, and I applaud the creator(s) (whoever they may be) for the ending.

Now what sucked for me was:

1. As the series went along the storyline became much too deep. I love the series, but that type of philisophical depth in a movie is just too much for the casual movie watcher. Everyone LOVED the original. Only loyalists love them all.

2. Too many loose ends. I like to read into storyline as much as the next fan, but some characters lacked the coverage required to make them important:

a. The Merovingian - I really thought he was going to lay waste in M3, but in the end, he was reduced to a regular crimelord. I guess when he said that "I've survied your predecessors" all he meant was that he got away.

b. Seraph - Just a bodyguard. The whole "Wingless" reference seemed like it was going somewhee, but it was left to interpretation.

c. The Oracle - I loved her character, but I thought that when Neo finally asked her some pointed questions, she would answer him directly, not just state the obvious. We all knew that his powers came from the source, but why?

Trinity's purpose was revealed, at least in my eyes. Three distinct times Trinity made the choice of helping Neo in his time of need.

1) The Original - She tell him she loves him, kisses him and he wakes up from the dead and kicks @ss from then on.

2) Reloaded - She intervenes and kills the powers to the security system, or Neo, Morpheus, and the Keymaker are blown to bits.

3) Revolutions - She escorts him through the Machine City firing quad, and catches a glimpse of real sunlight for the first time before her pupose of totally fulfilled.

MastahPlayah wrote:

I cant stress dis enuf, M3 SUCKED COCK

Your Mom sucks the wang pipe buddy The Matrix Revolutions was far from sucking cock

Revolutions is amazing. Sure it had its down falls, but over all I love Revolutions! When I went to go see it that very night it was first released, man, I was at the edge of my seat hardly blinking at all through out the whole thing. Even today when I watch it, I still get blown away.



(Some more action in The Hel Club wouldve made it better.)

matrix revolutions obviously was not as great as the first matrix, but still it was way better than, say, GODZILLA VS. MEGAGUIRUS.

still...

Hi, I have to say that I absolutly loved Revolutions, along with the whole Trilogy, even though sometimes I feel like the only nerd* out there who did, judging from what I read on the 'Net sometimes.

I have to agree that maybe the Trilogy was a little too profound for the average movie-going audiances or even the average internet nerd. But I enjoyed the deep meaning, the philosophical influences, and the shamelessly unhollywoodian twists of the plot. It reminded me of some of the asian movies I've seen in the past, and in a good way.

And while I've got a post going, I might as well run with BlingDynasty's comment about how everyone loved Matrix 1, but only loyalists loved Matrix 2 and 3... That kinda makes Matrix 1 The Old Testament, and Matrix 2 and 3 the New Testament...

Just like with the Testament, there are those who believe that Reloaded and Revolutions are the Promised Sequals, and there are those who refuse to accept them.

Just a little food for thought...

*And yes, I proudly consider myself a nerd; a comic-reading, d&d-playing, Anime-loving, Internet-adoring nerd. So there.

Unfortunately, I think there are too many members of this forum for anybody to care about my opinion, but anyway...

I think bashing Revolutions is utterly pointless; the great thing about this trilogy is that it provokes thought and consideration. I read some ranting on this site abotu how no questions were answered, and in my experience that's usually the first complaint people make about Hollywood, except the other way around. 'It was a great movie until they had to explain everything, what do they think, that I'm stupid or something?'

The great thing about these movies is that everybody can get something out of the experience. As for questions not being answered, I myself prefer to think of my own possibilities and so on. How did Neo stop the sentinels? I believe, for example, that this question was answered by the architect before the event; the One is a creation of the need to express an anomoly- perhaps Neo didn't actually stop them himself, but rather they were stopped due to his presence with the group and the vital nature of his existence. Who knows? Far more interesting to think about than just being told...

The reason M3 didn't suck? We're still here talking about it!

Hello! I apollogize for using this post to divert from discussion, but I cant seem to figure out how to make my own post. I got a box set for christmas that has philosophers talking about their take on it. It made me really redifine how I thought of the movie. Two that I like are Dr. cornelius(he was a council member in 3) and Dr. ken wilberger. any thoughts or feed back on this set or these guys?

munky wrote:

Hello! I apollogize for using this post to divert from discussion, but I cant seem to figure out how to make my own post.

Go to the right section, e.g. "More Matrix theories, more Matrix explanations".
Press the button "new topic" right above the thread-list and...get going.

munky wrote:

I got a box set for christmas that has philosophers talking about their take on it. It made me really redifine how I thought of the movie. Two that I like are Dr. cornelius(he was a council member in 3) and Dr. ken wilberger. any thoughts or feed back on this set or these guys?

I agree with you, the philosopher's commentary was quite interesting.
To get some more information about Wilber's approach, you may also want to read this discussion between Ken Wilber and Larry Wachowski: matrixfans.net...

just wanted to say thanks for the reply,and help