In other words:
Zion is part of the illusion (or a part of a parallel Matrix)
This theory is also called
- MWAM concept (Matrix within a Matrix)
- MwM theory (Matrix within Matrix)
- MiaM theory (Matrix in a Matrix)
- MiM theory (Matrix in Matrix)
Oooh, this theory produces uproars in forums amongst those who believe it and
those who reject it. It
seems that there is no other single theory that raises such heated up debates.
Please read on...
Stopping the sentinels is
THE ONLY clue that Zion is a trap-within-a-trap (=part of the Matrix). There are several other hints that Zion is an illusion:
So yellow I could dream
In the trailers for Matrix Revolutions we see Neo talking to Bane (who is
posessed by Smith) and Neo sees him in a yellow fire:
You can recognize Smith by his sunglasses. How can Neo see Smith in such a
way if Zion is not in a Matrix? Is it because Neo's eyes are hurt?
Now I must admit that this is just from a trailer. The sequence of trailer
scenes is unreliable. Thus we cannot be sure that the fire face is in Zion.
The trailers for Matrix Revolutions
show a fight between Neo and Smith (in the rain). Smith says "Welcome
back. We missssed you". But his intonation differs from trailer to
trailer. While that might be an interesting way to entertain hardcore fans it could
also hint at a time loop. I wouldn't mention it, if there weren't also 2
same-but-differing scenes from Zion:
Both scenes are from trailers, both times Bane says "Look
past the flesh and see your enemy" but both times the face looks
slightly different. If the intonation means time-loop then the bloody face
could mean it, too, and thus hints at Zion=loopable Matrix.
Please remember: The Matrix is probably deteriorating by Smith's influence. In Matrix 1
we saw a black cat followed by the same black cat (deja vu) as a symptom of a
glitch in the matrix. Also in Animatrix
the falling apart matrix of the haunted house (Episoide "Beyond")
shows time loops.
Please also note that Smith's "Welcome back"
could also hint at time loops (= repeated scenes).
Maybe I am interpreting to much into this. Maybe the bloody face was cut out by
the directors but leaked into the public.
Behind behind the scenes
Here's a transcript of Making the
Shots are shown of the interior design of the Nebuchadnezzar, of Neo being
freed, of the human crop fields. While these images are being shown Owen Patterson
Owen Patterson [production designer]: "We've fallen back
on..the original conceptual drawings (Neo is shown being grabbed by a sentinel in the
pod), that were trying to promote that idea of reality that isn't real. You look at it and go
'oh, that's a real place', but there are the illusions within it."
More than words: Music
When the sentinels head towards Neo at the end of Matrix Reloaded the
music (score) changes to the music they usually play for scenes within the
There is a song by on the Matrix Soundtrack by P.O.D. called "Sleeping
awake" with the following lyrics
Dreaming of Zion, Awake
Dreaming of Zion, Awake
Can't stop Sleeping Awake
Well, both arguments are not hard, but interesting anyway.
Neo wakes up when Smith enters Zion (thru another person: Bane)
Neo sees what will happen in the Matrix and vice versa
the Oracle knows what dreams Neo had in Zion.
Oracle (in the Matrix): "You've seen it, in your
dreams [in Zion], haven't you? The door made of light?...You have the sight now"
- However, some argue that this is possible because all happened before
and somehow the Oracle and Neo know about this. As Smith states:
Smith: "It's happening exactly as before."
Smith enters Zion (thru another person: Bane)
How is this possible?
There are counter-thoughts why this Smith's entry indicate that Zion is in a
- Not Smith himself gets into Zion.
Instead Smith 'infects' Bane
first and THEN Bane gets (thru the phone) back to Zion.
Thus it could be a normal case of 'What affects you in the
Matrix can affect you at home'.
- Bane's body doesn't change (well, see the reason above)
- In Matrix 1
fighting techniques is uploaded into Neo's mind. So why
shouldn't Smith be able to be uploaded?
- Contra: Maybe only data can be
uploaded, but no executable code. But, who knows?
- Since our brains/bodies are electrical machines we (humans and
machines) are basically compatible/the same.
Please note, that it could be the powers of Smith that
stopped the sentinels. In Matrix 1
he has the power to deploy them, thus we can assume safely that he has the
power to stop them:
Agent Smith [Matrix 1]: "Deploy the sentinels immediately"
In both cases (Neo stopping the sentinels and Bane surviving the sentinel's
attack) we could have an infection (=code overwrite, code insertion,
re-coding) by Agent Smith.
However Smith's ability to stop the sentinels doesn't explain why the
sentinels have been destroyed, instead of just stopped.
Blues get me the blues
The color blue is missing or unfriendly (e.g. danger, sentinels
The same as in the Matrix.
Interestingly Neo had to take the RED pill to leave the Matrix, while RED may mean, that he'll get again into an illusion.
The Wachowski brothers told, that inside the Matrix there is a green hue, and
in Zion there is a blue hue. This could mean, that both worlds are a
Red candy: We all like to know the truth
The Oracle is giving neo a red candy which is probably her hidden reference to
Morpheus' red pill in Matrix 1.
Oracle: "You [Neo] didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try
to understand why you made it..."
Neo: "Why are you here?"
Oracle: "Same reason. I love candy."
A similar conversation in Matrix 1:
Morpheus: "You take the red pill...and I show you how deep the rabbit hole
goes...I'm offering you...the truth"
Well, the truth in Matrix 1 was, that there is another level of
life (= Zion). Maybe this time, too. However, a weak argument.
ArchieTV, Blue screen of death
- This would be the ultimate proof that Zion is in the Matrix, if scenes
from Neo's life outside of the Matrix had been shown on the TV screens.
I looked and looked and looked, but there is no single scene I identify as
playing in Zion. If you see one please write
me an email ! This is important!
There is a scene from the trailer of Matrix 1
showing Neo in Morpheus' ship:
This could be considered a proof, but since it is only a trailer, it could
just be a fancy visual gimmick, as is the next scene, where the monitors
show "The Matrix" title:
Dig me deeper?
Architect: "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed."
Architect: "Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the
sixth time we have destroyed it"
What the heck? Zion has been destroyed 5 times already? How is this
possible? Always starting with 23 humans and ending up with huge underground
cities a few years later? This is indeed a hint, that Zion is in a Matrix and
every time they start newly, they start in the fantasy world with a Zion where
the sentinels have to dig again. As a counter-argument you might say
- by 'Zion' the Architect merely means 'human city, where the escapers
are'. Thus Zion is another Zion every time around. Please note that
'Zion' sound similar to 'scion'.
- the Architect maybe talks
about destruction of denial, rather than about the destruction of Zion.
Read his words again.
Fake humans and fake machines
Oracle (about Neo) [Enter
the Matrix]: "Now he lies trapped in a place between your world and ours."
3 trailer]: "He is trapped in a place between this world and the
Now why does she say "machine world"? Why not "real
The reason could be that the world of the machines is a fake. However, the
reason could also be simple:
- She didn't say "real world", so what?
- What is real, how do you define real? Both worlds could be considered
- It is the machines' world after all.
- Neo himself says:
Neo (about the Oracle) [Matrix 2]: "If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the
Dark side of the spoon
- Neo gets a battered-looking silver spoon from an
orphan in Zion.
This spoon looks as if the orphan (from
Matrix 1) has bent it like within the Matrix.
Please also note, that in Matrix 1
an orphan (=spoon boy) who shows Neo the spoon is doing so
right before Neo goes to the Oracle. The same happens in Matrix 2: Just before Neo wants to leave Zion to meet the Oracle the
spoon is given to him.
There are however some who state
- The spoon is just a gift to say 'Hello, Neo, I
made it out of the Matrix, too'
- The spoon is just reminder, that Neo leaves
- First of all the spoon has dents as if it was bent
- Contra: It looks shabby, because everything in Zion looks
crappy. Thus the spoon could be a simple reminder of the real
world's ugliness. In other words: 'Look, Neo. This time the spoon is real'
- BUT: In an interview Clayton Watson (who plays The Kid)
Clayton Watson [in interview at the Reloaded
premiere in LA]: "My favorite scene was...with the spoon - the old bendy
- It would be strange if Zion's machines and hovercrafts
worked, but they had no good spoons.
- The spoon seems to have been bent forcefully (=with more difficulties). This
may be wrong, but if it's true it could mean, that Zion has a different
'Matrix structure'. And it would explain why Neo's stopping the sentinels
needed such an effort that Neo falls into a coma.
- Kid runs to Neo and says:
Kid: "I'm sorry...I just have to give something to Neo...[The
orphan] made me swear to get it to you before you left. He said
Since this orphan was one of the 'One' candidates this clearly means
- that it's very important. It's not just 'another gift'.
- that there is something to understand. If it was
just a 'Hello, it's me, I am in Zion, too' then why not
saying it like: 'The orphan has a gift for you, he wishes
- Is there anything in the Matrix movies that is just
accidental? I don't think so. Nearly every word and every
sentence has a meaning. Thus I cannot believe that a whole
scene (in which a 'One'-candidate makes an urgent gift to
the 'One') is purely coincidental.
There is also another thing. Maybe Kid and the Orphan hang out
together usually or sometimes. This would explain the following:
When Neo arrives in Zion and comes out of the
ship Kid comes running immediately to welcome him:
Trinity: "How does he always know?"
Just before going to the Oracle (Matrix 2):
Kid: "Neo!!" (Maybe he even saved Neo's life by interrupting
Kid: "Neo!! Just in time. You're gonna see the Oracle, aren't you?"
How is this perfect timing explained? How did he know that Neo is
going to the Oracle? This timing is not chance. And this spoon is
something special with a deeper meaning.
Alive and bleeding
If you are hurt in the Matrix you bleed in Zion.
Something that doesn't make a lot of sense. Dying makes sense, but bleeding?
No chance in Zion
This is an interesting theory. And it works only if you assume that the system wanted
Trinity to go into the Matrix (at the end of Matrix Reloaded)
to complete her mission. Why? Maybe to make Neo choose the left door (when he
heard that Trinity has enetered the Matrix). OK, here is the theory: The system
forces Trinity to enter the Matrix by bombing the ship of Soren (= the captain
who failed) in the right moment. Since nearly everything in the Matrix is
forseeable it means that bombing to cause something wanted is
practically only possible within the control of the system (= Zion is within a
- Counterargument: Since the system has access to all memory banks and
emotion profiles and character characteristics of all humans, it maybe is
Residual without mirror?
Why do you look like yourself if you haven't ever seen yourself?
Morpheus [Matrix 1]: "Your appearance...is what we call residual self image"
In reality (=in Zion) you never looked into a mirror, but you know how you
look like? Do you conclude your outlook from 'feeling' your DNA (which can
only be felt outside of the Matrix, because inside you have only a virtual
Trinity empowers Neo
There are a few scenes where Trinity talks onboard Morpheus' ship
and Neo seems to react in the Matrix as if he could hear that:
- After Neo dies (Matrix 1) Trinity talks to him in Zion and he rises from the
dead in the Matrix.
- After he rises in the Matrix Trinity shouts
"Neo!" and he reacts instantly and runs to the phone.
- When Neo is covered all over by the agents Trinity says...
Trinity: "Come on, get out of there."
...and Neo flies away.
Freed individuals aren't killed immediately in their cocoons/ Harmless
Since bodies (in the cocoons) are supported with oxygen, minerals, vitamins and
anything they need AND dead bodies are disconnected, rinsed off and liquefied (thus are recognized as being dead/ disconnected) AND the system even knows if
somebody becomes aware of the Matrix (as seen in the Animatrix
story 'World Record'), it makes one wonder why the machines don't immediately poison/
electrocute the affected cocoon. It seems that they don't care or that
they even want that somebody is freed and reaches Morpheus.
Why aren't the machines using bombs since the beginning? They were strong
enough to win against the combined forces of the human armies, but cannot fight
a few outdated ships? How about using gas flowing down to Zion? How about
lethal radiation? Nope, the machines behave as if they had time.
Why should human bodies be a power generator? Why should humans be kept
alive, after the machines have won the war against humans?
This is one of most stupid ideas machines could have, it
doesn't make much sense for the 'real' world and thus supports that Zion is
Is this a giant plot hole in the
Matrix movies ('It's just Hollywood, dude')?
The original script describes the procedure a little deeper, but it still
is somehow unbelievable:
Morpheus [Original Matrix 1
shooting script]: "The Machines discovered a new form of
fusion. All they needed was a small electrical charge [delivered by human
bodies] to initiate the reaction."
Ahem, what? Need HUMAN BODIES to spark something up? Well,
well, sparks parks. And
think of that, too:
- One has to subtract the energy needed to keep the Matrix
- One has to subtract the energy needed to service the cocoon piles.
- Getting the energy from the food directly would be more
- Creating oxygen for humans is probably not energy effective, too, since
nowadays oxygen is created by plants and the sea, that both need the sun to do
so. But the sun was clouded.
- How often do you have to eat a day? Quite often. The human body really needs
a lot of energy for itself and is a poor energy supplier.
- If it has to be HUMAN bodies, then why plug something into the brains? Why
not run the Matrix brainless? (The Matrix could be a no-brainer, so to
A reason for the need of a Matrix simulation could be that the machines try to solve
a problem inherent in the programming of the machines themselves. Remember
was created by humans, and maybe humans programmed an incapability into
them as a security measure. Thus to solve it, they need a human programmer's
mind. Remember, that Morpheus and Trinity and Neo are programmers.
- Why not use wind, fossil or atomic sources?
- Why not use horse bodies? Or cows? They would deliver more energy and would never
rise against the machines. Here are counter-arguments:
- Hey, it's the Matrix not the Mootrix ;-)
- A very good argument, why the machines don't use cows is the following:
There are no cows anymore. All animals are dead! All plants are dead. The
earth is too cold and shattered. In Matrix 1
the crew had to eat "bowls of snot" and they didn't know how
However this does not answer the question, why a human
body needs a real world simulation.
- It is also quite unbelievable that humans had to darken the sky. The
sentinels are still prone to EMP, thus using EMP back then against machines
seems to be satisfactory. Why scorch the skies? Could you imagine a war
where humans voluntarily cloud the sky for centuries? Maybe humans had a
method to 'uncloud' the sky, but then again (since the machines are
intelligent), why couldn't the machines uncloud it for centuries?
- Since the body = battery thing is quite unbelievable, then maybe
the 'humans clouded the sky' thing is also a deception.
Maybe the machines keep the sky clouded to keep the humans
underground (where it's still warm). Thus the machines don't need the humans
because of the clouded sky, but vice versa they need the clouded sky because
of the humans.
- However, since this would turn parts of the Animatrix
stories into a lie (and people already hate the 'Zion is a lie' theory)
this could really upset movie viewers.
Is the "humans=batteries" theory true?
Science fiction is no fantasy
Having PSI powers in the real world turns a
science-fiction movie into a fantasy movie (like Lord
of the Rings, where speaking trees come to rescue you). This
introduces an inconsistency into the movie. Please note, that even
the resurrections (Neo dies in Matrix 1 and Trinity dies in Matrix 2) are within seconds of the deaths, thus nothing paranormal
Keymaker's systems on systems
Keymaker: "But like all systems it has a weakness. The system is based on the rules of a building. One system built on another."
Maybe the Keymaker hints at the matrix being funded upon Zion and Zion upon
another system? A weak argument though.
At the very end of Matrix 1 Neo states:
Neo: "I know you're out there. I can feel you now...You're afraid of change."
This marks the change in Neo's perceptions, because he can
see-through-the-Matrix now. And at the end of Matrix 2 right before the Neo-stops-the-sentinels-scene he
Neo: "Something's different. I can feel them."
...which could also mean, that he see thru the Matrix now.
However, believe it or not, it is not clear, what scene is first. The
ending scene of Matrix 1 or
the ending scene of Matrix 2?
See the section Was
'The Matrix' after 'Matrix Revolutions'?
Marginal note: In the trailer for Matrix
Revolutions Niobe (while outside the Matrix) says something similar:
Ghost: "What if they don't find us?"
Niobe: "They will."
Ghost: "How do you know?"
Niobe: "I just know."
Ghost: "What do you think will happen after that?"
Niobe: "I don't know, but I got a feeling it's going to be one hell of a ride."
Well it's not that proving. But I wanted to mention it anyway, because
it could very well mean, that Zion is in a Matrix, because Niobe has 'the
second sight' now
A fake Zion fits perfectly into the concept of deception
Zion fits into the concept of traps-within-traps
Well these are not really arguments, but show that a Matrix-within-Matrix
could be a very typical machine's deception technique:
Agent Smith states in Matrix 1:
Agent Smith: "But I believe that...human beings define their reality through misery and suffering."
There is no doubt that Zion is a more dangerous place
with a more miserable existence than the Matrix world. How would you like it to
live in a world with giant spiders haunting you (the sentinels and the
cocoon-keeping machines look spider-like)? Making something
more threatening makes it more real.
This could mean that Zion the perfect place for the outcast people of the
Matrix: If you don't like the 'reality' of the Matrix then you probably like the
'super-reality' of Zion.
Matrix is a prison for the mind, while Zion would be additionally a prison for
Less than choiceless
There isn't good food in Zion. Nowhere to go. No sun, no rain, no snow. Always
the same people, the same council. To sum it up: There is less choice than in
the Matrix. Thus if you didn't accept the illusion of choice in the Matrix,
then maybe you accept the illusion of 'no choice' in Zion. If "nearly 99%...accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice",
then maybe 1% accepted the program, as long as they were not given a
choice: Predestined prophecy and same food every day.
Once Zion and back, please. The land of the fried.
The real world is so bad off (= Zion is a Matrix simulating misery), that it makes you want to go back (like
Cypher). Matrix 'frees' you into Zion and Zion 'frees' you into the Matrix:
Artificially comfortable vs. Really uncomfortable.
- Please choose your Matrix
Since 99% accept the program if choice is given, then the freedom to
choose between the Matrix and Zion could be very well part of the machine's
calculation while still keeping everything under control.
- Blinder than blind, foolisher than foolish
The concept of reality-within-a-reality to blind people (as introduced in Matrix 1) is continued and extended.
Morpheus: "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."
What is worse than being blind? Being blind and thinking one
can see (= being more blind):
Morpheus [Matrix 1]:
"Welcome to the real world."
"What is real? How do you define real?...What you can...see...is simply electrical signals interpreted by your
...and then (what a fool, you might say!)...
Morpheus: "For the longest time I wouldn't believe it, and then I saw...with my own
- Concept of trapping lies
The 1st Matrix crashed because it simulated a perfect world. A perfect
world is a lie, so why shouldn't all Matrixes be built upon lies? Even in
the current Matrix, choice is implemented as a lie. Thus
deceiving humans might be the common denominator of all machine-human
- It's your own world, happy now?
If you didn't like the big fat Matrix, you probably like your own small
world (= Zion). Moreover in Zion you can fight what you didn't like: The
- I forgot to go home...I had to fight
Fighting and fighting and surviving for 100 years. Maybe this ties the
concentration so much that it's impossible to find out that Zion is just
another simulation. Please note, that Commander Lock (who doesn't believe
the prophecy) is in charge of the defense system, thus the man who doubts
the prophecy is the one who has to keep Zion alive!
- Perfect world for perfect believers
The escapers believed that something is wrong with the world (= the
Matrix). Thus they took the red pill. But what do they do in Zion? They
still believe that something is wrong with the world.
are believers. They form the perfect crowd to be amused for 100 years with
prophecies, higher goals and a chance to win against the machines.
- Which predestination do you want?
You didn't like the Matrix' fake choices (= everything is predestined)? So
why do you like the prophecy (= predestination, too)?
Probably those who
don't accept the Predestination A in the Matrix are prone to accept
Predestination B in Zion (= predestination that Predestination A will end).
What a wonderful deception: You don't like the Matrix? Hey, there is a
place where you can meet friends who don't like it, too. And look what
this place offers you: Broadband connections to the Matrix, hacking, rave and sex,
the prophecy, the feeling of being alive...
- Zion must be real, because everybody talks about The One coming to us
Did you ever think of the prophecy as the reason why the Zionites believe that
Zion is real?
'We are in Zion - we fight the Matrix - we are in
Zion - we fight the Matrix'.
Well then it must be real, because nobody ever said a word about the
possibility to shut down Zion.
- Zion is real, because the Matrix is unreal
Everybody knows, that the Matrix is unreal and you have to plug-it-in.
This alone creates a kind of illusion, that 'Zion therefore must be
- Zion is real, because it's your home
Most Zionites are freed when they are young. Thus Zion becomes the
very place they accept as home. Do you rember what happened to Neo when
Morpheus told him, that the Matrix is a artificial universe?
Neo: "No. I don't believe it. It's not possible...Stop. Let me out. Let me out. I want out."
Thus maybe the Zionites refuse a Zion-is-fake idea by themselves. It would
be a home taken away from them for the second time and that is just too
much to bear.
- More hope for the people or more dope for the people?
If the essence of human behaviour is hope...
Architect: "Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion"
... then by giving humans something to hope for makes them fullfilled
maybe. Well, in Zion you really can hope as much as you want. Bad
conditions+prophecy let hope pour into your thinking and doing. Thus if
the matrix leaves you hopeless (because there lies no hope in a programmed
world), then maybe the overkill of hope in Zion satisfies you.
And also think of this: Suffer+Prophecies are the very glue
used by religions to bind members. Thus we could conclude by the
combination of "suffering" and "the prophecy" alone
that Zion turns into a religious place. And how does it look like in Zion?
They pray, they give religious gifts to Neo.
Are religions making people stronger or more foolish?
Architect: "Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness."
Are Zionites strong or foolish? Hard to say.
Maybe each 100 years (or each 250'000 inhabitants) Zion has to
be destroeyed, because the possibility is too high, that indeed somebody finds
out that Zion is fake.
More 's' than revolutions?
A weak argument (but nevertheless for the sake of completeness): Matrix 3 is called Matrix Revolutions.
That's plural. Well, it's clear that a big fight between machines and humans
is underway. That's Revolution #1. But what are the other revolutions?
An even weaker argument: The movie is called Matrix
Reloaded. Thus it could be that the Matrix in Zion is just a
reloaded Matrix of the outer Matrix (= Zion), so to speak.
Another weak but interesting argument:
"Reload" could implement a reboot and "Revolutions" could
implement "Revolving" (= cycle).
Zion in a blink of time
A weak argument: At the beginning of Matrix Reloaded.you
see the green matrix code and some of the scene angles can be interpreted as
Zion's tubular construction.
Census thru sensus?
Morpheus: "And does the Commander have a plan for stopping
Morpheus: "A sentinel for every man, woman, and child in Zion. That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me."
This has been pointed out as one of the proofs that the machines know exactly
how many citizens of Zions exist, and therefore all 'Zionists' still are
connected somehow to the Matrix. Well I don't know: Since the system knows the
approximate number of freed people and can extrapolate birth rates, this seems
to be a weak argument.
The suit of freedom
- A picture from Matrix Revolutions
shows Neo in a suit he never wore before. It doesn't really fit Zion nor the
Matrix. So where is it? Is Neo free at last?
However, it has been reported that this picture is a fake.
Sunglasses in the Matrix
At the end of Animatrix'
story 'The second renaissance 2'
you see a child running home (among the radioactive ruins of the real world)
to his parents and both turn out to be agents and the child turns out to be in
- Counter-argument: This could however play already within the Matrix. This could be the
very time the Matrix was installed: The child was living in the 'real
world', was captured, was put into the Matrix, the environment was
duplicated for the 'best Matrix experience' and the child continued living
(within the Matrix) where it stopped living in the 'real world'.
The Merovingian is a program, thus Neo, too?
Neo shows similarities to Merovingian, who is most probably a
program himself. See the Merovingian
section. Thus if the Merovingian was a former one, Neo could be one, too. Thus
if Neo is a program Zion could be a simulation.
- The Wachowski brothers [in a web chat]:
"Reflections in general are a significant theme in the film. The ideas
of worlds within worlds"
The rabbit is still laughing
I think it would make sense, if the Wachowskis left the audience (even
after Matrix Revolutions)
uncertain whether the movie played in a Matrix or not. And whether we (=
the audience) live in a Matrix or not. How deep does the rabbit hole go?
Is the rabbit laughing at us?
Zions 1-5 in only a few years?
- Maybe the most important reason is that (according to the
Architect) there have been 5 Zion destructions before, but according to the
timeline as we know it, there has been no time. Read on:
The timeline as we know it from the plot and from Morpheus:
- Morpheus: "In the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI"
- The Nebuchadnezzar (Morpheus' ship) is manmade and from the year 2069.
The Osiris (the ship from Animatrix)
is USA-made and from the year 2079.
- Morpheus: "For 100 years we have fought these machines"
- Morpheus: "You believe it's the year 1999 when in
fact it's closer to 2199"
"This will be the sixth time we have destroyed [Zion]"
- Morpheus [Original Matrix 1
script/Apr.1996]: "It started early in the twenty-first century, with the birth of artificial
intelligence, a singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of
machines...Sometime at the end of the twenty-first century the battle was joined.
The war raged for generations and turned the face of our planet from green and blue to black and red."
- Weak hint, but nevertheless:
The first rise of the machines was when the robot 'B1-66-ER' killed humans.
The '66' could mean that he has been produced in the year 2066.
Additional thoughts about the Morpheus' timeline:
- On account of Morpheus' timeline Zion destructions 1-5 must have occurred
approx. between 2060 and 2100. This may differ a little bit but
the main point is: It's hardly believable.
- The Nebuchadnezzar (Morpheus' ship) is man-made and from the
year 2069. It still functions, so it's not too far away
from 2199 (imagine using a 130 year old car).
- If Zion is about 100 years old it is quite impossible that a few people can build a city
near the earth's core with all the technology and ships you see
in the movie just within 100 years:
- They don't even have good
food, instead you see the crew eating "a bowl of snot"
/ "the same god-damn goop
They never ate 'tasty wheat':
Mouse: "Did you ever eat Tasty Wheat?"
Switch: "No, but technically, neither did you"
- You see them dancing and living in a quite primitive
environment running around in rags and living in stone
- Their only weapon against the sentinels is the electromagnetic
Trinity: "[The EMP] is the only weapon we have against the machines."
- The freeing out of the Matrix and inserting into Zion started about
100 years ago, thus a lot of freed persons have skills like 1900-1980. Not too
- The Nebuchadnezzar and all the tech you see was
made before the first could flee out of the Matrix to
build Zion 6.
- It's either made by inhabitants of Zions 1-5 or made by
people before the Matrix was established. The Architect
points to the conclusion that it is not Zion 1/2/3/4/5
Architect: "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its
entire existence eradicated"
The Architect wants to eradicate everything,
so why should there be anything left from former Zions?
- One has to add additional time between each Zion, since it would also take its time for
'One' to be born, grow up and appear/wake up.
- How big have former Zions been?
- The machines wait now until about
250'000 people are accumulated (=freed and newly born) in Zion 6.
Binary: "That'd mean there are a quarter of a million sentinels out there."
Morpheus: "A sentinel for every man, woman, and child in Zion. That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me."
It makes sense that the machines haven't destroyed
former Zions immediately, but have previously waited, too.
- Architect: "This will be the 6th time we have destroyed it, and we have become
exceedingly efficient at it".
It either means that
- now they can kill more humans at a time
that more survived the last times, means that more could tell
the story how old Zion is, which obviously didn't happen
- now they can eliminate Zion faster
That means it took
them even more than 100 years to eliminate Zion 1-5, which
collides with the timeline
- the time from the attack to eradication has decreased. The
last time Zion was destroyed in 72 hours:
Trainman (played by Bruce Spence) [Enter the
Matrix]: "72 hours...That's exactly how long Zion lasted last
- Architect: "The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally
perfect... its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection... in every human being."
As you see it is nowhere stated that the first 'Matrix crash' had anything to do with Zion. Thus it could be that several matrixes crashed
(=more time goes by) without even the first Zion having
This would make the Matrix even older. However it could be, that the first Zion
was already inhabited at the time of the first Matrixes, this would make 5
Zions more probable.
Thus the above timeline clashes with the idea of six really real Zions.
More hints that something is older than we know:
- Architect: "The Matrix is older than you know"
- Persephone [about Cain and Abel]:
"They come from a much older version of the Matrix, but like so many back then, they caused more problems than they solved".
Please note that Cain and Abel were persons (in the old testament) who caused problems
as did so many back then.
- Oracle: "Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing."
Since stories about angels/ demons etc. are very old this could
mean that the Matrix is thousands of years old.
- But it could also mean that programs must behave (at
least to a certain degree) within parameters of the 'known and handed
down' world. Thus if ghosts and goblins were known in the world before the
Matrix, then programs wouldn't invent any new form of existence, but
behave (or copy behaviour respectively) 'within the body of human
- When the Architect speaks of human history...
Architect: "I redesigned [the Matrix] based on your history"
...Hitler is shown. If the Architect had to redesign the
Matrix because of Hitler (and others), then
- Hitler's appearance
played already in the Matrix
- Hitler's was outside the Matrix and a Matrix
existed somewhere else.
However this might just be an example
and not a real reference.
do you think? Is Zion real? Go to the voting booth!